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Old 09-10-2008, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tristanrobin View Post
If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an "arrogant celebrity".
If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are "energizing the base".
Leave out the comments ("clinging to their guns and religion") he's made that indicate that he is arrogant. Leave out the fact that even his own supporters admit that his strengths are image based (like a celebrity). Make it sound like the exact same "energizing the base" comment hasn't been made about Sen. Obama.

Another false comparison....

I could go through this whole BS post like this and dismantle each and every one of these lame attempts at minimizing Gov. Palin, but I'm not going to waste any more of my time, since they are just variations on a theme of deception.
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Originally Posted by tristanrobin View Post
so - I have to ask again: what is it that you're refuting?

I just hear a bunch of whining

what isn't true?
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Different Strokes for Different Parties?

If you're a minority and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "token hire."

If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "game changer."

Black teen pregnancies? A "crisis" in black America.

White teen pregnancies? A "blessed event."

If you grow up in Hawaii you're "exotic."

Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're the quintessential "American story."

Similarly, if you name you kid Barack you're "unpatriotic. "

Name your kid Track, you're "colorful."

If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you're "reckless."

A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a "maverick."

If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers150,000 new African Amerian voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.

If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you've got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia.
Obama would be doing what Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal is doing, serving and gaining experience, if Obama wasn't Black.

For him to go from the Illinois State legislature to a run for President in two years takes more than just talent and certainly more than his paper-thin resume with no executive experience and only a smattering of accomplishments to show but a long list of "present" votes when called upon to make decisions.

There is a hunger to resolve the racial guilt felt by Whites in this country and Obama has ridden on that hunger. His campaign has risen on White America's efforts to satisfy that hunger.

And he is so adept at manipulating that hunger that he has come very far in a very short period of time.

But the phenomenon is less about Obama and more about White Guilt.

White America is seeking racial transcendence by voting for him. Most people don't know what his policies are. Most don't even know he's a leftist/Socialist.
They just want him to wash their racial guilt away.

But if his candidacy is based on racial transcendence and he is telling us he will not run a campaign based on race, that he (and America) is above discussing issues of race, (2:45 in the video, by the way) then that means his candidacy is 100% about race.

Palin's daughter intends to marry the father of the child and they will not add that child to the welfare rolls.

I think you miss the point. Growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii is what makes him "exotic."

Having two Muslim fathers and claiming not to have taken their faith or having been raised, at any time, as a Muslim and having numerous secret associations with Muslims that he will not discuss now makes him an object of suspicion.

No one says Biden isn't fully vetted. You are just being silly for the sake of trying to draw inaccurate comparisons to Palin's choice. And armies of Obama's dirt squad are in Alaska as we speak digging for dirt on Sarah Palin. But when it comes to answering questions about Obama, where is the same level of scrutiny? Why won't Obama come clean on the matter of Ayers, Rezko & Auchi? And those are just for starters!

None of Obama's experience is executive. As a Mayor and Governor Palin had to make more decisions in the average week than he's made in his entire career. And she also went nose-to-nose with the big oil companies and she made them submit to her position while negotiating a $30 BILLION natural gas pipline that is crucial to our country's national defense status.

And let's keep in mind that she is the GOP VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE! Yet, she has more executive experience than Senators Obama AND Biden. And speaking of Senators, Biden and Obama and McCain each represents only 1% of the Senate vote. But they do have to read about national and foreign affairs issues. They seldom cast deciding votes. A Governor can't hide behind 99 others. She or he must make tough decisions and if the wrong decision is made EVERYONE knows about it. Even in a state with a population of "only" 683,478 (2007 est.). Only a small portion of your brain is in your genital region, Tristanrobin, but how insignificant would you say it was if you didn't use that part of your brain sensibly?

And can the Biden/Obama team or supporters really look down their noses at the size of Alaska's population when 6% of our nation's oil supplies are provided by the 49th state?
HowStuffWorks "What if the Alaskan Pipeline blew up?"

Compare that to Biden's Delaware (with a population of 864,764 [2007 est.]) which is known as a corporate haven due to its business-friendly corporation law. Franchise taxes on Delaware corporations supply about one-fifth of its state revenue.

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If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an "arrogant celebrity".
If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are "energizing the base".

If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are "presumptuous" .

If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a "shoot from the hip" maverick.

If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are "an elitist-out of touch" with the real America.

If you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Anapolis, with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero.

If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an "empty suit".

If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an "experienced executive".

If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are "extremist".

If you believe in creationism and don't believe global warming is man made, you are "strongly principled".

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

If you have been married to the same woman with whom you've been wed to for 19 years and raising 2 beautiful daughters with, you're "risky".

If you're a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you're an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.

But if you're a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you're spunky.

If you're a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you "First dog."

If you're a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you "beautiful" and "courageous. "

If you kill an endangered species, you're an excellent hunter.

If you have an abortion you’re not a Christian, you're a murderer (forget about if it happen while being date raped.)

If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents.

If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

If you're a Republican senator who solicits gay sex in an airport bathroom, you get to return to your job in the Senate and are encouraged to run for re-election.

If you're a Democratic Senator who is out of public office and have an affair, your political career is over and your wife who has terminal cancer is to blame.

And finally:

Quiz question for the RNC, specifically those on the Religious Right.
Who is one of the most revered, and famous community organizers in
No one has called Obama arrogant. A celebrity, yes. Arrogant, no.

And what is the difference between his popularity and Palin's? Until America decided it would consider someone as young and inexperienced as Obama for the highest office in the land, the GOP would never have chosen someone like Palin.


Because America in it's infinite wisdom made clear that WE DO consider such inexperience as Obama's to be suitable for consideration the GOP decided that if you can't beat em, join em! So, Palin has less experience than Conservatives normally would have liked, you liberals pushed us to keep up with your progressive thinking and the GOP responded.

So, if you value Obama's inexperience then we have someone you should feel comfortable with.

Sarah Palin: ALMOST as inexperienced as Obama!
(Good thing she's "only" running for the #2 spot! )

Obama's thinking for himself is not presumptuousness. His taking his campaign to friggin Germany as though he had already been elected, now THAT is presumptuousness!

John McCain IS a maverick. The original maverick. And he has training and proven ability to make quick decisions. The right decisions. Things move pretty fast at 5,000 feet and 500 knots. It's almost like when driving the lane on a basketball court and trying to decide whether to go for a lay up or pass it off. Almost like that. But faster and with greater consequences.

You aren't a hero because your Dad and Grandfather went to Annapolis and attained high rank in the Navy. You are a hero for volunteering to put yourself in harm's way to serve your country and in doing so you were injured and wounded and close to death but you still resisted the enemy and inspired your fellow POW's and when given a chance to relieve your own suffering you adhered to a principle which was guaranteed not to serve your own personal interests.

THAT makes you a hero.

Managing a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign is something BOTH candidates are doing. In fact Obama has had a great deal more funding to work with than McCain. And using LESS MONEY and with FEWER CAMPAIGN STAFF PEOPLE, McCain has passed Obama in the polls.

Is that what the country should expect from Obama? Increased taxes and disappointing results?

There are any number of Churches that Obama could have chosen to attend on the South side of Chicago. He just happened to choose a racist one which has an agenda which is so hostile to America and to Whites, I doubt that Obama would have taken his own Mother there and felt comfortable. Yet he attended the church for twenty years. A church led by Rev, Wright, a former Muslim...

which praised Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan.

While it is admirable that Obama has been faithful (as far as we know) you progressive wouldn't care if he had been a cheater. At least that's what you said when Bill Clinton forced you into lowering your moral/ethical bar. What would be nice is if we could know that in spite of all of Obama's many dalliances with those who ARE NOT married to the idea or ideals of the UNITED STATES and who have no love for this country and feel no allegiance to it (Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Auchi and even his own wife, just to name a few)
that Obama was even HALF as committed to this country as John McCain, who FELL IN LOVE WITH AMERICA.

"I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's." he later said, "I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was my country's."
That's the kind of fidelity I wish Obama had a fraction of. The other stuff is his personal life, which you'd be the first to say, doesn't matter.

If a single black mother became a state Governor and was in regular communication with her baby doctor and made a decision based on knowledge and the advice of a professional concerning the labor and delivery of her child, no one would say anything. So why are you questioning Palin's choices? Reverse discrimination? Maybe you should go and self-flagellate until your White Guilt is erased.

NO ONE should be excused for maligning a child. And no one in a responsible position maligned Chelsea. And anyone who did should be subjected to the harshest condemnation possible. You can't be saying that you believe that behavior was condoned by any responsible people on the right. That is disgustingly wrong.

The endangered species being what? Wolves? They aren't endangered in Alaska. They are a threat to moose and caribou herds.

Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial wolf-hunting permits in select areas where moose and caribou populations are particularly endangered. The idea is that by killing the predators, the airborne gunmen can ramp up the number of moose and caribou that human hunters can take home for supper.

What's aerial wolf gunning, and why does vice presidential Sarah Palin support the practice? - By Samantha Henig - Slate Magazine
Teaching sex education in schools to kids and expecting them to refrain from sexual intercourse is like Palestinians teaching their kids how to rig bombs and explosive vests and not expecting them to become martyrs or "Shahids."

Larry Craig's and John Edwards' actions are symptoms of the swamp that John McCain hopes to drain once he is in the White House.

Jesus Christ was the Messiah. Not a Governor. Barack Obama is less experienced than a Governor but parades around like he's the Messiah.

There. Satisfied?
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No one has called Obama arrogant. A celebrity, yes. Arrogant, no.
Oh I've called him arrogant...many times...Wanna see it again?...

Originally Posted by cnredd
Obama is arrogant.
Anyone who has their own presidential seal created, has "president" stitched onto their chair on their campaign airplane, and holds convention speeches in front of a Greek temple is arrogant...
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A. I didn't say you did. It's obvious that you just regugitated it. On the left, no one is ever responsible for their rhetoric. That's how Obama continues to get away with claims that he's not just as dirty as all politicians are.

B. Their both socialists worshipped unquestioningly by their followers.

C. If you say so. I'm just hoping that once Barackstar puts my company out of business I can find a job flipping burgers or somehow finding a way to please his worshipfulness and his flock of sheep.
Then you can join the millions who Regan put on the burger line by selling out to big business and giving factory jobs to over seas lobbyists.
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