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That's kind of sexist.
If you knew me well you would know that I was just being sarcastic..
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The problem with your question is this...
"A moment's notice" begins at the TOP of the ticket on January 20, 2009...
There is no problem with the question...
Just the perceived IMPORTANCE of the question.

If anybody around here was saying "I'm voting for Obama cause if McCain dies, then Palin is in office.", then that would be dumb.

But in the big scheme of things, many factors play into making the choice on who to vote for.
And while this question may not have top priority, it is a valid question.


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Have you ever even looked at his record. He passed ethics reform. Do you even look.
Why do you think some people spend so much time bashing Obama?
It is to try and create a smoke-screen to avoid the fact that they aren't even really looking at their own candidate...


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But what is a Republican? Some think they may have lost their "brand". Is GW representative of today's Republican? I think he spends far too much and so do most of the Republicans that I know.
I would be less uncomfortable with McCain if he didn't spend so much effort trying to ingratiate himself to Bush's style of doing things. I think there are lessons to be learned over the last 8 years, and McCain doesn't seem to recognize them.
He is obviously embracing Bush's audience that favors him. I think in some ways Palin is an attempt to help offset that.
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Have you ever even looked at his record. He passed ethics reform. Do you even look.
Do you even look beyond the surface of what Obama says? He is slippery.

Hugh Hewitt of Townhall.com dispels the notion of Obama's commitment to reform as well as his willingness to go against the party leaders to do what's best for America and enact ethics reform. Here he is referring to the junior senator's comments with Pastor Rick Warren at Saddleback Church:

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He flat out distorted his positions, and did so without even an arched eye-brow from the MSM.

The transcripts of the interviews are here. (HT: Red County).

Obama's distortion of events with regards to Senate ethics reform came up when Rick Warren asked for "an example of when you went against party loyalty and maybe even against your own best interest for the good of America?"

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Well, I'll give you an example that in fact I worked with John McCain on, and that was the issue of campaign ethics reform and finance reform. That wasn't probably in my interest or his for that matter because the truth was both Democrats and Republicans sort of like the status quo and I was new to the Senate and it didn't necessarily engender a lot of popularity when I started saying, you know, we are going to eliminate meals and gifts from corporate lobbyists. I remember one of my colleagues whose name will be unmentioned who said, "Well, where do you expect us to eat, McDonalds?" and I thought, well, actually, a lot of opur constituents probably do eat at McDonald's so that wouldn't be such a bad thing. I think we were able to get a bill passed that hasn't made Washington perfect but at least it [is] moving things forward.

Put aside the cloying identification with the McDonald's customers and the wonderfully convenient story of the unnamed senator's cravenness, and just focus on the facts. Recall, Obama cited McCain here as his cover for acting in a bipartisan or non-partisan fashion. The detailed account of this "teamwork" from David Freddoso's new book --pp. 97-99, puts the lie to Obama's account. In fact Obama approached McCain and "promised to work with him seriously on a bipartisan lobbying and ethics reform package," in February 2006. After some work "McCain thought they had an agreement." Freddoso continues:

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Then Obama's party leaders took him aside and set him straight. They had an election plan, and they weren't about to have [Obama] ruin that by working on both sides of the aisle to accomplish something substantive in 2006.


Freddoso then reprints the account of the Obama double-cross reported by Marc Ambinder, then working for the highly respect National Journal. Obama sent McCain a letter backing out of the effort.. McCain responded with a blistering rebuke.

"I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable," McCain responded. "[T]hank you for disabusing me of such notions."

No matter what one thinks of the merits of the Obama flip-flop, for him to cite his work with John McCain on Senate reform as the best example of his willingness to work against party and self-interest is more than just oily. It is deeply deceptive.
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Why don't you switch allegiances, Mikeyy? If you insist on judging a book by it's cover and never looking below superficial first impressions you'll be safer by aligning yourself with McCain/Palin. What you see is what they are through and through.

It's much easier defending what is right and true, solid, secure and wholly American than it is what is fashionable, questionable, changeable, deceptive, shady, evasive and flimsy.

For you to continue to support Obama leads one to wonder...WHY?
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...and that's almost word for word what Obama's qualifications are - He's good looking, a good speaker and a Democrat. I've heard this very thing time and again from Democrats.

What makes Sarah Palin a great choice is that she's a reformer. I can almost guarantee you that McCain was looking for someone like her from the start. An outsider with the willingness to take on "the establishment".

What's funny is that the Left has has always been the "down with the establishment", "speak truth to power", "question authority" bunch and now when we have a ticket that has a proven track record of doing these exact things, the fact that it's a Republican ticket trumps all of that. We've got a Rep. ticket that is "anti-establishment" vs. a Dem. ticket that is 100% pure establishment.
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Do you even look beyond the surface of what Obama says? He is slippery.

Hugh Hewitt of Townhall.com dispels the notion of Obama's commitment to reform as well as his willingness to go against the party leaders to do what's best for America and enact ethics reform. Here he is referring to the junior senator's comments with Pastor Rick Warren at Saddleback Church:



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Why don't you switch allegiances, Mikeyy? If you insist on judging a book by it's cover and never looking below superficial first impressions you'll be safer by aligning yourself with McCain/Palin. What you see is what they are through and through.

It's much easier defending what is right and true, solid, secure and wholly American than it is what is fashionable, questionable, changeable, deceptive, shady, evasive and flimsy.

For you to continue to support Obama leads one to wonder...WHY?
It is easier to defend someone who's being attacked on the issues, you just bring up mindless attacks about associates or connections or anything shady that just doesn't seem right... Instead of winning on the issues.
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Mindless spin to avoid the facts... YET AGAIN. I'm not surprised. Selective vision. That's fine. Republican only. That's fine. Just don't pretend that it's an intellectual position to have. You've not actually compared the achievements of Barack to these people. You sanctimoniously place military service above civil service, ownership above hardwork, and the words of one Sarah Palin above the words of those who know Barack. Fine.
When you are a military leader you are required to make decisions. Lots of them. You can't vote, "present." Sometimes you are called upon to make decisions where there is much at stake. You understand that military leaders know their decisions will sometimes mean the difference between life and death or even more important than that; the outcome of battles and sometimes the survival of their nation.

Wartime military leadership can be easier to recognize and assess than peacetime military leadership. So, we should not use war as the only criterion for judging character and judgment. The military has experience with assessing character, judgment and leadership ability. Those with the right stuff are given command positions. And in the case of John McCain, he was given command of the largest naval aviation squadron in the Navy. And maybe one of its more problematic. Perhaps the Navy recognized in John McCain his reformer's instinct even then.

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Mr. McCain won a coveted assignment as commanding officer of the Navy's largest squadron, the Replacement Air Group in Jacksonville, Fla. This was Mr. McCain's first chance to command men (and a few women), but the squadron had a mediocre record and parts shortages meant that only half the planes were flyable at any time.

''Inertia had set in,'' recalled Carl Smith, then an instructor pilot in the squadron. ''We had some crusty old guys running maintenance, and they were masters at saying, 'no, no, no.' But then McCain came in and changed them overnight and brought in new people.''

All this raised eyebrows and hackles, and some senior officers grumbled about favoritism for the admiral's son. When Mr. McCain failed in his initial efforts to qualify to land an A-7 aircraft on a carrier, a failure that would have blocked his career, some senior officers were delighted.

John M. Johnson, then a junior officer helping people qualify for the A-7, remembers two senior officers taking him and a co-worker aside and ordering them to make sure that Mr. McCain did not make it. But the junior officers were mesmerized by ''the Skipper,'' as Mr. McCain was called, because of both his record in Vietnam and his glow of leadership.

So Mr. Johnson and the other young officers coached the Skipper tirelessly for his second try on the A-7, training him on the simulator and prepping him every moment they could. And when he qualified, they held a huge party, celebrating him for a version of the inspiration and iconoclasm that he now lays claim to in presidential politics.

''I personally joined the Navy to avoid being drafted in the Army,'' Mr. Johnson recalled, but he added that he stayed partly because he had been so inspired by the Skipper. Mr. Johnson has done fine for himself since then: he made his comments in an e-mail interview from the John F. Kennedy aircraft carrier, where he is the admiral in charge of the carrier battle group.

This loyalty to the Skipper was widespread. As one tracks down and talks to the men he once commanded, it is striking how often their voices light up as they describe something magical about the Skipper.

Officers recall that he would hurtle into the maintenance shops and start kidding the officers, peppering them with rapid-fire questions and jokes, urging them, scolding them and leaving them fired up. Mr. McCain learned the names of all the enlisted men so that he could tease them as vociferously as the officers, a mild breach of protocol that won their hearts.

They responded, and by the time he left the squadron in 1977, every single aircraft had left the disabled list -- the last one, which had been out for two years, was restored on his next-to-last day.

Although plagued by fatal accidents in the past, the squadron had no fatalities under his command (a turkey buzzard that shattered the windshield of a student pilot's plane almost changed that, but officers talked the pilot down safely), and won its first meritorious unit citation. Mr. McCain's success attracted notice among the admirals in Washington.

P.O.W. to Power Broker, A Chapter Most Telling - New York Times
Throughout the history of mankind military leaders have become the peacetime leaders of their nations as well.

The point here is that Obama may be the greatest guy to know as a friend or acquaintance. He may be thoughtful and a good family man and a great orator and organizer. But he has shied away from making his mark wherever he has gone.

In college many say they don't recall him well. In Law School he distinguished himself by becoming editor of the Law Review but he never wrote a single article for that journal. As an organizer he, admirably, took a back seat to the people he empowered. As a state Senator he voted "present" 120 times. And as a U.S. Senator, despite having written two memoirs about himself, he hadn't written any legislation. And after 143 days as a Senator he decided to run for the highest office in the land.

And now people are saying he has better qualifications than Sarah Palin, who has had to make decisions, and be right about these decisions, starting her first day as a Mayor.

And if she hadn't exercised good judgment and gotten those decisions right she would not have been able to become Governor.

Barack has zero accomplishments.

All hat. No cattle.

And even if one were to judge him ONLY on the basis of his hat, he wouldn't look very attractive.

Trillions of dollars in tax increases.

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February 14, 2008 01:37 PM ET | James Pethokoukis | Permanent Link

What does "change" cost? About a quarter of a trillion bucks a year, according to Barack Obama. But first, this: "I wish Obama would go further than that, but it's a start," was the reaction of one DailyKos poster to Barack Obama's economic plan unveiled yesterday in a campaign appearance in Janesville, Wis. Some hard-core liberals may be underwhelmed by the scope of Obama's agenda—after all, there's no single-payer healthcare plan or Scandinavian-style "flexicurity" worker benefits program in the mix—but my guess is that the average person would find it all pretty aggressive. Here are the priciest parts:

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-...ding-plan.html
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When you are a military leader you are required to make decisions. Lots of them. You can't vote, "present." Sometimes you are called upon to make decisions where there is much at stake. You understand that military leaders know their decisions will sometimes mean the difference between life and death or even more important than that; the outcome of battles and sometimes the survival of their nation.

Wartime military leadership can be easier to recognize and assess than peacetime military leadership. So, we should not use war as the only criterion for judging character and judgment. The military has experience with assessing character, judgment and leadership ability. Those with the right stuff are given command positions. And in the case of John McCain, he was given command of the largest naval aviation squadron in the Navy. And maybe one of its more problematic. Perhaps the Navy recognized in John McCain his reformer's instinct even then.



Throughout the history of mankind military leaders have become the peacetime leaders of their nations as well.

The point here is that Obama may be the greatest guy to know as a friend or acquaintance. He may be thoughtful and a good family man and a great orator and organizer. But he has shied away from making his mark wherever he has gone.

In college many say they don't recall him well. In Law School he distinguished himself by becoming editor of the Law Review but he never wrote a single article for that journal. As an organizer he, admirably, took a back seat to the people he empowered. As a state Senator he voted "present" 120 times. And as a U.S. Senator, despite having written two memoirs about himself, he hadn't written any legislation. And after 143 days as a Senator he decided to run for the highest office in the land.

And now people are saying he has better qualifications than Sarah Palin, who has had to make decisions, and be right about these decisions, starting her first day as a Mayor.

And if she hadn't exercised good judgment and gotten those decisions right she would not have been able to become Governor.

Barack has zero accomplishments.

All hat. No cattle.

And even if one were to judge him ONLY on the basis of his hat, he wouldn't look very attractive.

Trillions of dollars in tax increases.
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He wrote an article. As editor it's his job to edit, not write.

Senate "Present Votes"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us...s/20obama.html

There are reasons why he would vote present. As an adult you should know that there is rarely something as simple as "Yes" or "No". Especially when you are dealing with politics. He may have liked part of the bill, but not the entire bill. If the bill was going to pass he could vote "Present" to lodge a protest on the way the bill was put together... God forbid he stand up for any convictions he might have. Democrats are not allowed to do that apparently.

As an organizer, you are supposed to take a back seat once you've empowered the people. It's like PARENTING, something Palin knows about. You help them, you educate them, you prepare them, but ultimately there comes a time when they make their own decision. Sometimes that decision is good and other times its not. The difference is Palin was functioning in this fashion for 5, Obama was functioning in this fashion for thousands...

You are just blinded by overzealous partisanship...
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It is easier to defend someone who's being attacked on the issues, you just bring up mindless attacks about associates or connections or anything shady that just doesn't seem right... Instead of winning on the issues.
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Anyone going on and on about Barack Obama and admonishing us to play fair and focus only on his policies remind me of someone who will rave about the food at a dinner party but fail to say a thing about the big turd in the punchbowl.

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Allow me to tell you about the finest liqueurs and natural fruit flavorings used to make this delicious punch. Uh, just overlook the turd floating in there.
If you really want what is best for your own and your family's well-being how can you even consider drinking this punch or serving it to your loved ones?

If you really care about America how can you recommend someone whose past associations, and unanswered questions about same, give us reason to suspect any and all of his future actions and policies in office?

If I was a mafia chief or some other kind of influential bad guy and I was able to corrupt your integrity before you reached a position of great influence it would be in my best interests and his best interests to keep that relationship a secret.

Then, after you achieved that elected office, I would OWN you.

If you did not do what I wanted I could expose you as a corrupt official. And even if I only asked you for one favor it would be an offer you could not refuse.

We know that there is SOME kind of relationship between Obama and the Iraqi Billionaire, but Obama won't tell us what it is.

If we find out that Obama was playing patty-cake with unrepentant domestic terrorist and Communist Bill Ayers, what would that say about Obama's integrity? About his political ideology? And how might these clues manifest themselves in an Obama administration?

If we know that Rezko has been convicted and sent to prison, what exactly was the story behind his dealings with Obama? We know what Obama has told us but Obama is increasingly being caught in lies or he issues a statement to clarify and erase what he'd said before to prevent committing
to a particular course.

His Saddleback Church statement about ethics reform. His position in regards to the BAIPA legislation.

Here's what Rudy Giuliani said yesterday at the RNC:

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Obama — Obama was against wiretapping before he voted for it.

When speaking to a pro-Israeli group, Obama favored an undivided Jerusalem, like I favor and like John McCain favored. Well, he favored an undivided Jerusalem — don’t get too excited — for one day, until he changed his mind.

Well, I’ll tell you, if I were Joe Biden, I’d want to get that V.P. thing in writing.
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To you this may be academic or intellectual. I live here. I care and am committed to the best course for our country. Imploring me to try to 'win on the issues' while ignoring a seriously troubling aspect of his past and his character and judgment is to be naive, at least. We may debate issues and ideas here on these pages but in terms of our next president we are dealing with real life and we must look at the entirety of Obama's candidacy. Character, judgment, associations, past accomplishments as well as his proposed future policies.
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Right... Obama wins on the issues, but you'd rather whine about "experience" or "associates", problems McCain has in his own right...

Disingenuous, but not surprising coming from a man who overlooks the faults of GWB in order to justify some political agenda...
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Do you even look beyond the surface of what Obama says? He is slippery.

Hugh Hewitt of Townhall.com dispels the notion of Obama's commitment to reform as well as his willingness to go against the party leaders to do what's best for America and enact ethics reform. Here he is referring to the junior senator's comments with Pastor Rick Warren at Saddleback Church:



Townhall.com::Blog

Why don't you switch allegiances, Mikeyy? If you insist on judging a book by it's cover and never looking below superficial first impressions you'll be safer by aligning yourself with McCain/Palin. What you see is what they are through and through.

It's much easier defending what is right and true, solid, secure and wholly American than it is what is fashionable, questionable, changeable, deceptive, shady, evasive and flimsy.

For you to continue to support Obama leads one to wonder...WHY?
Hugh Hewitt? Come on. She believes that the church and the government should be together. Did you just read what I just wrote? She wants her church to take over the government. But that is OK with you.
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