Sarah Palin's RNC Speech Was a Home Run - Page 2

cnredd · #11 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008, 04:33 AM

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But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.

One of THEE best lines in the speech...

How can you change the country when you've done nothing to change the corruption from within your own party?...Something McCain and Palin have done REPEATEDLY?...

bhkad · #12 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

No it's NOT the question,this is a discussion about Palin's speech not Obama or McCains speech. It's a valid question,Obama or McCain could die in office and there are precedents for this. Some say Obama may be "targeted" others say McCain is shall we say...getting up there in years. At this point,I'm more comfortable with Biden as VP. I do not say this as a partisan,I've been independent for many years as my voting record will attest to.I know this may offend many a partisan but I just can't see Palin as POTUS. I can see Biden as POTUS at a moments notice.

How is Palin on foreign policy? Remember...empire building is tricky,I suppose she could get advice to handle that huh.With some,her "massive" executive experience matters most. Yeah,she's cute,a good speaker and most of all,she's a Republican and I guess in the end... that trumps everything..

If you are John McCain and you see that the Democratic Party has nominated a candidate like Obama, who is more hat than cattle and the voters are going nuts over his superficial appeal, it does no good lose to the Dems while crying, "But he's not really qualified! He's just a handsome package who can give good speeches!"

If the people, in their infinite wisdom, have shown they want to make a choice based on glossy appearances, John McCain gave them what they wanted...AND THEN SOME!

He chose Sarah Palin to give the people who are moved by superficial considerations, just what they should like. A pretty package who can give a kick-ass speech. Just like Obama.

But in an example of Republican substance over style, Sarah has actual executive experience and accomplishment:

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I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education better.

When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too.

Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.

And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities.

ABC News: Sarah Palin Makes History as First Female Vice Presidential Nominee of Republican Party

dabateman · #13 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

Eisenhower was the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during WWII and made thousands of executive decisions involving billions of dollars, millions of lives and the prospects of freedom in the world and dealt with our allied commanders.

Kennedy was a PT Boat skipper and when his boat was sliced in two by a Japanese destroyer coming through a narrow passage one night a badly injured JFK led his crew to swim for hours to the nearest island in hopes of being rescued. During this swim he had to tow one of his seriously injured crew members by swimming with man's life vest belt strap clenched between Kennedy's teeth.

Then for a number of days he led by example and took his turn with the rest of the survivors to swim out every night into the straight with a lantern in hopes of attracting the attention of friendly vessels.

Finally, some natives who were working with an allied civilian coast watcher spotted one of the PT-109 sentries and eventually a rescue was arranged.

Kennedy was decorated for his actions.

And here is some info about Lincoln's experiences before he was elected President:

Lincoln tried thousands of cases, some of them landmark decisions. He commanded a company of the Illinois militia, ran a general store and was involved in various ventures which required his making decisions and asserting his vision and using his own judgment to make a difference in the order of things.

Nothing Barack Obama has done measures up to any of the accomplishments of these men in terms of judgment, leadership and personal courage and initiative.

Consider the words of Republican VP Nominee, Governor Sarah Palin speaking of Barack Obama:

ABC News: Sarah Palin Makes History as First Female Vice Presidential Nominee of Republican Party

Mindless spin to avoid the facts... YET AGAIN. I'm not surprised. Selective vision. That's fine. Republican only. That's fine. Just don't pretend that it's an intellectual position to have. You've not actually compared the achievements of Barack to these people. You sanctimoniously place military service above civil service, ownership above hardwork, and the words of one Sarah Palin above the words of those who know Barack. Fine.

Michael1 · #14 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

Yeah,she's cute,a good speaker and most of all,she's a Republican and I guess in the end... that trumps everything..

That's kind of sexist.

I think it's quite reasonable to find Palin and Obama's level of experience equitable.

Biden essentially is the same experience-wise as McCain, and quite frankly looks closer to death than John does. The Dems have their ticket upside down.

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Originally Posted by cnredd

I refuse to justify questioning the backup goalie when the starter is already well ahead of the opponent's starter...

Oh, you mean you wouldn't pick against Indy or New England this weekend because of Brady or Manning's backup? That's crazy talk man!

Gordon Shumway · #15 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

No it's NOT the question,this is a discussion about Palin's speech not Obama or McCains speech. It's a valid question,Obama or McCain could die in office and there are precedents for this. Some say Obama may be "targeted" others say McCain is shall we say...getting up there in years. At this point,I'm more comfortable with Biden as VP. I do not say this as a partisan,I've been independent for many years as my voting record will attest to.I know this may offend many a partisan but I just can't see Palin as POTUS. I can see Biden as POTUS at a moments notice.

How is Palin on foreign policy? Remember...empire building is tricky,I suppose she could get advice to handle that huh.With some,her "massive" executive experience matters most. Yeah,she's cute,a good speaker and most of all,she's a Republican and I guess in the end... that trumps everything..

While I find myself indentifying with republicans more than democrats lately I am still registered in the state of Ohio with no party affiliation. And, for good reason. I am still independent as I've always been. I would be more comfortable with Biden at the top of the democrat ticket. He is far more deserving & ready for the position than Obama currently is.

As for voting records --- I have only voted for a major party candidate once in a presidential election. In local elections I have voted for someone in both major parties as well third parties & independents.

The fact that Palin is a republican means about as much to me as the fact that she's a woman or that Obama is black or that Bobby Jindal is of Indian descent. Whoopty-freakin-doo.

faithful_servant · #16 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

Yeah,she's cute,a good speaker and most of all,she's a Republican and I guess in the end... that trumps everything..

...and that's almost word for word what Obama's qualifications are - He's good looking, a good speaker and a Democrat. I've heard this very thing time and again from Democrats.

What makes Sarah Palin a great choice is that she's a reformer. I can almost guarantee you that McCain was looking for someone like her from the start. An outsider with the willingness to take on "the establishment".

What's funny is that the Left has has always been the "down with the establishment", "speak truth to power", "question authority" bunch and now when we have a ticket that has a proven track record of doing these exact things, the fact that it's a Republican ticket trumps all of that. We've got a Rep. ticket that is "anti-establishment" vs. a Dem. ticket that is 100% pure establishment.

Mikeyy · #17 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

One of THEE best lines in the speech...

How can you change the country when you've done nothing to change the corruption from within your own party?...Something McCain and Palin have done REPEATEDLY?...

Have you ever even looked at his record. He passed ethics reform. Do you even look.

Spencer Collins · #18 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

Who would you choose between Texas GOVERNOR George W. Bush (before the 2000 election) and the current Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin?

As much as I love and admire GWB, I'd choose Sarah Palin.

How about you?

Neither..but if I "had" to make a choice it would be Palin.

Spencer Collins · #19 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway

While I find myself indentifying with republicans more than democrats lately I am still registered in the state of Ohio with no party affiliation. And, for good reason. I am still independent as I've always been. I would be more comfortable with Biden at the top of the democrat ticket. He is far more deserving & ready for the position than Obama currently is.

But what is a Republican? Some think they may have lost their "brand". Is GW representative of today's Republican? I think he spends far too much and so do most of the Republicans that I know.A lot of them are not "happy" with the BA.

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Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway

As for voting records --- I have only voted for a major party candidate once in a presidential election. In local elections I have voted for someone in both major parties as well third parties & independents.

Well,I think I may have voted in more presidential elections than you have. I go way back to Nixon and as a youth,worked for him! My voting history is almost evenly divided between Democratic and Republican candidates. On the local level,I often vote for 3rd party candidates. This indicates that I vote for the candidate as opposed to having a set political philosophy. I'm liberal on "some" social issues but I tend to be a fiscal conservative.

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Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway

The fact that Palin is a republican means about as much to me as the fact that she's a woman or that Obama is black or that Bobby Jindal is of Indian descent. Whoopty-freakin-doo.

Well..her party affiliation means a lot to many people..

Spencer Collins · #20 (**permalink**) 09-04-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant

...and that's almost word for word what Obama's qualifications are - He's good looking, a good speaker and a Democrat. I've heard this very thing time and again from Democrats.

Yup..substance often takes a backseat in both parties. I think both Obama and Palin are shall we say..diamonds in the rough and both have great potential.I've spent many months attacking Obama in this forum. His inexperience and past affiliations "trouble" me.It's no secret that I don't like McCain and forced with making a choice I may go with Obama if I can overcome my doubts. McCain is like a box of chocolates,you never know what your going to get. This guy changes positions so often it makes flip-flopping exciting..

But in the end,we who are old and politicaly jaded see McCain as a typical politician who has "finally" yielded to today's political realities.

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant

What makes Sarah Palin a great choice is that she's a reformer. I can almost guarantee you that McCain was looking for someone like her from the start. An outsider with the willingness to take on "the establishment".

I like Sarah,she comes off as genuine and we need "reformation" in politics!

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant

What's funny is that the Left has has always been the "down with the establishment", "speak truth to power", "question authority" bunch and now when we have a ticket that has a proven track record of doing these exact things, the fact that it's a Republican ticket trumps all of that. We've got a Rep. ticket that is "anti-establishment" vs. a Dem. ticket that is 100% pure establishment.

Let's hope that it's not "lip service" from both tickets..

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