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Old 08-31-2008, 12:31 PM
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John McCain's VP pick Sarah Palin has sparked a wave of political pondering, but a question has snuck under the radar which dilutes the Democrats' logic.

The original accusation from the Dems is that if John McCain dies in office, the "experience quotient" goes out of the proverbial window.

I believe that's only true to an extent. It wouldn't go out of the window totally, but I think we can all agree that the experience level does decrease in terms of foreign policy and national legislation.

But the people who make this accusation miss something which hurts their own cause much more than their question coming to fruition.

If it's true that if McCain becomes president and dies in office, experience in the president's chair is decreased, than it is equally true that if Obama becomes president and dies, experience in the president's chair will be INCREASED.

If the Republicans win the general election, the country will have a time-tested leader from Day 1, while the Democrats wouldn't get their time-tested leader if they won the general elections until the person at the top of the ticket dies.

In no way am I hoping or endorsing this line of thinking...I'm just pointing out the absurd logic being used by the people who are using McCain's age as a way of throwing doubt on the Republican ticket.

One would think that if "experience" is such an issue they feel so strongly about that they need to point out the loss of it if McCain DIES, then they must surely be worried about the "experience" issue not being there at all as long as Obama LIVES...
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The point was that experience is not the important part of the job. It's judgment. You know, like Lincoln or Kennedy... Guys who Barack has about the same experience as...

If McCain honestly believed that experience was so important, he wouldn't have "put the country at risk" by nominating someone a heartbeat away from the Presidency with little experience.

It is also true that the bigger the state, the larger the number of people to represent, the harder the challenge. I think there is only one state with fewer people than Alaska, and that's Wyoming. Wyoming, where Dick Cheney is from. Wyoming where they string up homosexuals to the fence posts... Yeah. That wonderfully enlightened state. And we see how well that worked.

I'm looking forward to this because this is a debate we want to have. And it will be interesting to see the female supporters of Palin when they realize that Palin is the anti-Hillary.
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The point was that experience is not the important part of the job. It's judgment. You know, like Lincoln or Kennedy... Guys who Barack has about the same experience as...

If McCain honestly believed that experience was so important, he wouldn't have "put the country at risk" by nominating someone a heartbeat away from the Presidency with little experience.

It is also true that the bigger the state, the larger the number of people to represent, the harder the challenge. I think there is only one state with fewer people than Alaska, and that's Wyoming. Wyoming, where Dick Cheney is from. Wyoming where they string up homosexuals to the fence posts... Yeah. That wonderfully enlightened state. And we see how well that worked.

I'm looking forward to this because this is a debate we want to have. And it will be interesting to see the female supporters of Palin when they realize that Palin is the anti-Hillary.
The job challenges facing the Chief Executive of the smallest state in the Union have more in common with the job challenges of the President of the United States than the challenges facing the Senators of the most populous state.

The tasks facing the Governor of Rhode Island would be different in number of people affected, the variety of tasks, the number of issues being dealt with or in the dollar amounts than what the President has to deal with. But other than the President's need to deal with foreign matters there is more similarity between what the Gov. of Rhode Island and what the President does than there is between what any Senators do and what the President does.

Much Gubernatorial experience is transferable experience to the job of POTUS.

Much less of what a Senator does is transferable to what is required by the job of President.

The most populous state is California. One of their Senators is Barbara Boxer. This is her summary description of what a Senator does:

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Senators are responsible for representing the people of their state in the United States Senate. Part of this responsibility is writing and voting on bills in the U.S. Senate. Senators decide whether to vote for or against every bill that comes before Congress. All bills must pass the Senate before they can go to the President to be signed into law. Senators can also write their own bills and work to get the other Senators to vote for their bill so that it can become law.

In order to do their job well, Senators spend a lot of time meeting with people who live in their state to tell them about what is happening in government and to listen to their ideas about how to improve life in our country. Senator Boxer regularly meets with people from different backgrounds and different parts of the state. She even meets with kids to learn about what is happening at California schools.

Another important part of a Senator's job is to help Californians if they have a problem with the federal government. For example, if your mail is not being delivered on time, Senator Boxer's office can help you by contacting the U.S. Postal Service to bring attention to your problem.

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And FWIW, the Cheney's daughter, Mary, is a lesbian.
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And FWIW, the Cheney's daughter, Mary, is a lesbian.
...does she live there?

edited to add: don't bother looking it up - I know the answer.
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...does she live there?

edited to add: don't bother looking it up - I know the answer.
I choose not to argue this tangent with you here. Start a new thread.
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[quote=cnredd;38568]John McCain's VP pick Sarah Palin has sparked a wave of political pondering, but a question has snuck under the radar which dilutes the Democrats' logic.

The original accusation from the Dems is that if John McCain dies in office, the "experience quotient" goes out of the proverbial window.

I believe that's only true to an extent. It wouldn't go out of the window totally, but I think we can all agree that the experience level does decrease in terms of foreign policy and national legislation.

But the people who make this accusation miss something which hurts their own cause much more than their question coming to fruition.

If it's true that if McCain becomes president and dies in office, experience in the president's chair is decreased, than it is equally true that if Obama becomes president and dies, experience in the president's chair will be INCREASED.

If the Republicans win the general election, the country will have a time-tested leader from Day 1, while the Democrats wouldn't get their time-tested leader if they won the general elections until the person at the top of the ticket dies.
We need to get the lingo right. McCain isn't a time tested leader. He has been a Senator who represents his state. But he hasn't led anything. And he comes across to me as belligerent and predictable. His foreign policy will mirror Bush's. Only less restrained. Barack seems more calculated and intelligent. I will give you that McCain knows Washington. But by this time so does Barack. He is a pretty quick study you know. And BTW Barack has pretty good relations with the rest of the world. And as blustery as we might want to be we need their help to weed out the worlds despots. I don't see what electing McCain will do for our International relations. But from his rhetoric you had better buy defense stocks. Or just buy Chinese stock. That's who will be sponsoring our next wars.
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John McCain's VP pick Sarah Palin has sparked a wave of political pondering, but a question has snuck under the radar which dilutes the Democrats' logic.

The original accusation from the Dems is that if John McCain dies in office, the "experience quotient" goes out of the proverbial window.

I believe that's only true to an extent. It wouldn't go out of the window totally, but I think we can all agree that the experience level does decrease in terms of foreign policy and national legislation.

But the people who make this accusation miss something which hurts their own cause much more than their question coming to fruition.

If it's true that if McCain becomes president and dies in office, experience in the president's chair is decreased, than it is equally true that if Obama becomes president and dies, experience in the president's chair will be INCREASED.

If the Republicans win the general election, the country will have a time-tested leader from Day 1, while the Democrats wouldn't get their time-tested leader if they won the general elections until the person at the top of the ticket dies.
We need to get the lingo right. McCain isn't a time tested leader. He has been a Senator who represents his state. But he hasn't led anything. And he comes across to me as belligerent and predictable. His foreign policy will mirror Bush's. Only less restrained. Barack seems more calculated and intelligent. I will give you that McCain knows Washington. But by this time so does Barack. He is a pretty quick study you know. And BTW Barack has pretty good relations with the rest of the world. And as blustery as we might want to be we need their help to weed out the worlds despots. I don't see what electing McCain will do for our International relations. But from his rhetoric you had better buy defense stocks. Or just buy Chinese stock. That's who will be sponsoring our next wars.
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