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Not the Obama We Know
An effective, dishonest speech.

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If all you knew of Obama was what he presented to you in his speech, you would think of him as a typical Democratic politician improved by the addition of a bit more thoughtfulness and idealism than the average representative of the class. You would be amazed to learn of his extremely close relationship to a radical anti-American preacher; or that he has followed a no-enemies-to-the-left approach to politics that put him in the company of an unrepentant terrorist. You would not suspect that he favors taxpayer-funded abortion or drivers’ licenses for illegal immigrants. You would not realize that he has crossed party lines far less often than McCain. You would not imagine that he had ever voted against funding for troops in war zones. It would not cross your mind that this denouncer of hardball, self-interested politics might be having his campaign intimidate reporters out of looking into his record.
Ramesh Ponnuru on Barack Obama & Acceptance Speech on National Review Online

There is something symbolic and deeply moving about the late, William F. Buckley's magazine, The National Review, leading the way to uphold America's electoral integrity even after the great man himself has passed from the scene.

What a legacy.
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Ramesh Ponnuru on Barack Obama & Acceptance Speech on National Review Online

There is something symbolic and deeply moving about the late, William F. Buckley's magazine, The National Review, leading the way to uphold America's electoral integrity even after the great man himself has passed from the scene.

What a legacy.
Drivle or Drivel Or shit, Crap Poop if this was on paper I would wipe my ass with it. "He is more idealistic then his class" What a puke. And oh wow now you have convinced me to join McCain. Yeah that did it.
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And the other thing is when you don't have something on a guy its because its hidden. Its there. We don't know what it is but its there. He must have a connection to someone that we can use to sink him with. I heard a fox guy say "Obama needs to understand how Americans think about things" Like he was from somewhere else. This shit goes on daily.
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And the other thing is when you don't have something on a guy its because its hidden. Its there. We don't know what it is but its there. He must have a connection to someone that we can use to sink him with. I heard a fox guy say "Obama needs to understand how Americans think about things" Like he was from somewhere else. This shit goes on daily.
You mean like maybe he spent his childhood growing up in Indonesia?
You mean like maybe his father was from Africa?
Unlike most black Americans he is ACTUALLY an African-American.

And if you want to tell me about racism? Can you cite for me ONE instance of "racial" problems in Hawaii where the predominant population is NOT even white.
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Ramesh Ponnuru on Barack Obama & Acceptance Speech on National Review Online

There is something symbolic and deeply moving about the late, William F. Buckley's magazine, The National Review, leading the way to uphold America's electoral integrity even after the great man himself has passed from the scene.

What a legacy.
I too was an admirer of Buckley. Not for the same reasons you were, I suppose.
I loved the fact there was a man who could give or take in a public forum, and use the precise word without you thinking to yourself he just looked it up before the show! Quick wit and all that, but I don't know what he would have said about Obama. I like to think he would have tried to find some redeeming qualities for his own candidate, presuming he would have backed John McCain.
I never went for the conspiracy theory. And hate turns me off big time.

If you really want to prevent Obama from getting elected, push McCain's positives, and talk about why you think he should be president.
And I am not saying this as a moderator, so feel free to let fly with your argument or whatever.
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I too was an admirer of Buckley. Not for the same reasons you were, I suppose.
I loved the fact there was a man who could give or take in a public forum, and use the precise word without you thinking to yourself he just looked it up before the show! Quick wit and all that, but I don't know what he would have said about Obama. I like to think he would have tried to find some redeeming qualities for his own candidate, presuming he would have backed John McCain.
I never went for the conspiracy theory. And hate turns me off big time.

If you really want to prevent Obama from getting elected, push McCain's positives, and talk about why you think he should be president.
And I am not saying this as a moderator, so feel free to let fly with your argument or whatever.
Mccains only real positive is.........He is not Barack Obama
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You mean like maybe he spent his childhood growing up in Indonesia?
You mean like maybe his father was from Africa?
Unlike most black Americans he is ACTUALLY an African-American.

And if you want to tell me about racism? Can you cite for me ONE instance of "racial" problems in Hawaii where the predominant population is NOT even white.
Let me help you with something to help you clear this up in your mind. Obama was in Indonesia from the time he was 5-8 years old. Now you just said he spent his childhood growing up in Indonesia. Does that sound like the truth? And tell me again why his father being African means that Barack is not American. Reagans dad was Irish. So what the hell was Reagan? I guess just color huh? Actually he is AMERICAN. Which is more then I will asy for you if you keep questioning it. Because here in America we are all equal pal. No matter where our parents are from. And thats the agreement that we make to be Americans. Questioning peoples patriotisn is about the lowest BS that the right does. And they do it a bunch. And it usually comes from assholes with anal warts and radio shows who never served anyone but their own selves
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Let me help you with something to help you clear this up in your mind. Obama was in Indonesia from the time he was 5-8 years old. Now you just said he spent his childhood growing up in Indonesia. Does that sound like the truth? And tell me again why his father being African means that Barack is not American. Reagans dad was Irish. So what the hell was Reagan? I guess just color huh? Actually he is AMERICAN. Which is more then I will asy for you if you keep questioning it. Because here in America we are all equal pal. No matter where our parents are from. And thats the agreement that we make to be Americans. Questioning peoples patriotisn is about the lowest BS that the right does. And they do it a bunch. And it usually comes from assholes with anal warts and radio shows who never served anyone but their own selves
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