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The lack of personal testimonials at the DNC coronation must leave Democrats uneasy.

By Charles Krauthammer

Barack Obama is an immensely talented man whose talents have been largely devoted to crafting, and chronicling, his own life. Not things. Not ideas. Not institutions. But himself.

Nothing wrong or even terribly odd about that — except that he is laying claim to the job of crafting the coming history of the United States. A leap of such audacity is odd. The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments — bearing even fewer witnesses.
Charles Krauthammer on Man of Mystery on National Review Online

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I was busy during Obama's speech and some of the other festivities of the DNC this past week so I can't attest to what Mr. Krauthammer says, but it sure seems to fit based on my limited experience.

You tell me...is his analysis right or wrong?
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Charles Krauthammer on Man of Mystery on National Review Online

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I was busy during Obama's speech and some of the other festivities of the DNC this past week so I can't attest to what Mr. Krauthammer says, but it sure seems to fit based on my limited experience.

You tell me...is his analysis right or wrong?
No I think Krauthammer is a bitter man who couldn't find anything positive from the left if he were paid. And he is a waste of space. Analysis. is only good if there is a true attempt to be even handed. What you have produced isn't true analysis. Its partisan spin in order to minimize any positive quality that comes from Obama or the left in general. He is a mental cripple. They are on both sides. But he isn't credible at all.
Secondly I think some of you spend a lot of wasted effort. We have all pretty much made our picks. What are the chances that you posting an analysis from a right wing hack is going to change mine or anyones opinions? If I posted an analysis by Michael Moore what would be the chances of you being persuaded regardless of what he said? I might as well post an analysis from Garafalo. Or Alec Baldwin. See what I mean.
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I don't believe that his analysis is supposed to be dispassionate analysis but clear-eyed, insightful, well-reasoned advocacy. And on whose behalf does he advocate?

America's. Ours.

Obama should be vetted.

It's in our nation's best interests.

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Analysis. is only good if there is a true attempt to be even handed.
Oh?

Analyze Zionism.



Just kidding. Don't bother.

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No I think Krauthammer is a bitter man who couldn't find anything positive from the left if he were paid. And he is a waste of space. Analysis. is only good if there is a true attempt to be even handed. What you have produced isn't true analysis. Its partisan spin in order to minimize any positive quality that comes from Obama or the left in general. He is a mental cripple. They are on both sides. But he isn't credible at all.
Secondly I think some of you spend a lot of wasted effort. We have all pretty much made our picks. What are the chances that you posting an analysis from a right wing hack is going to change mine or anyones opinions? If I posted an analysis by Michael Moore what would be the chances of you being persuaded regardless of what he said? I might as well post an analysis from Garafalo. Or Alec Baldwin. See what I mean.
We all understand that vetting is like an ingredient label on the side of a can of food.

If a food product was believed to be either Kosher or Halal and in reality they used lard in the processing of it it is deceptive labeling.

The public needs to know what they are getting.

If you are saying that Moore, Garafalo or Baldwin are in favor of deceptive practices by candidates who have backgrounds which can't measure up to the public's standards, I would believe you.
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We all understand that vetting is like an ingredient label on the side of a can of food.

If a food product was believed to be either Kosher or Halal and in reality they used lard in the processing of it it is deceptive labeling.

The public needs to know what they are getting.

If you are saying that Moore, Garafalo or Baldwin are in favor of deceptive practices by candidates who have backgrounds which can't measure up to the public's standards, I would believe you.
You wouldn't even entertain vetting McCain. He hasn't been an executive. He has voted badly year after year (saving a bunch of posting here). He doesn't live in the same world as you and I. In fact he never has. He is a son of privileged who married in to wealth.. Has made a career of being a politician. Has been in Warrrshington for 30 years at the same time he bitches about all of his "friends" back in Warrrshington. His economic adviser was and is Phil Gramm. His legal adviser is Lindsey Graham. He thinks rich is 5 million. He really doesn't understand people losing their homes. He can't get close to that feeling anymore. Biden is worth $150,000. Thats net worth. Obama has recently made money from his book. But before that rather then chase money he chose to try to make peoples lives better. They get it.
John uses his Vietnam Experience too much as a crutch lately. He tries to use it to make it seem like he cares more for our soldiers then Obama. I care about our soldiers as much as McCain. That doesn't mean I should be POTUS.
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You wouldn't even entertain vetting McCain. He hasn't been an executive. He has voted badly year after year (saving a bunch of posting here). He doesn't live in the same world as you and I. In fact he never has. He is a son of privileged who married in to wealth.. Has made a career of being a politician. Has been in Warrrshington for 30 years at the same time he bitches about all of his "friends" back in Warrrshington. His economic adviser was and is Phil Gramm. His legal adviser is Lindsey Graham. He thinks rich is 5 million. He really doesn't understand people losing their homes. He can't get close to that feeling anymore. Biden is worth $150,000. Thats net worth. Obama has recently made money from his book. But before that rather then chase money he chose to try to make peoples lives better. They get it.
John uses his Vietnam Experience too much as a crutch lately. He tries to use it to make it seem like he cares more for our soldiers then Obama. I care about our soldiers as much as McCain. That doesn't mean I should be POTUS.
He's been vetted over the course of the years he's been in the public eye as a celebrated POW, Senator and Presidential candidate. The media has never failed to look into any questionable aspect of McCain's public or private life and he has never failed to be candid and forthright in answering any questions.

Yes, he has warts but they are all out there for the world to see.
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He's been vetted over the course of the years he's been in the public eye as a celebrated POW, Senator and Presidential candidate. The media has never failed to look into any questionable aspect of McCain's public or private life and he has never failed to be candid and forthright in answering any questions.

Yes, he has warts but they are all out there for the world to see.
This celebrated POW thing is getting on my nerves a bit. He got shot down and got captured. And survived being mistreated. OK. He did good. But he didn't have a hell of a lot of choices after being captured. And if you are going to tell me that he stayed when he could have left. From what I understand many of them did. No to knock his story. But the other guys who deferred to their comrades for release don't believe that they should be awarded the Presidency for it I'm sure.
McGovern flew mission after mission when the odds were better then 70% that you wouldn't return. And he kept doing it over and over. That is a real hero in my mind. But he was treated like crap by the right so so much for war heroes.
And apparently the other thing you like is that he has been in Warrrshington 30 years. Great.
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you nailed it spot on target, mickeyy
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This celebrated POW thing is getting on my nerves a bit. He got shot down and got captured. And survived being mistreated. OK. He did good. But he didn't have a hell of a lot of choices after being captured. And if you are going to tell me that he stayed when he could have left. From what I understand many of them did. No to knock his story. But the other guys who deferred to their comrades for release don't believe that they should be awarded the Presidency for it I'm sure.

McGovern flew mission after mission when the odds were better then 70% that you wouldn't return. And he kept doing it over and over. That is a real hero in my mind. But he was treated like crap by the right so so much for war heroes.

And apparently the other thing you like is that he has been in Warrrshington 30 years. Great.
His service was his service. Just like Obama's community service was HIS service. I mention it as one era of his life, not as a credential for becoming President.

McGovern's politics were the reason for his loss. John McCain's politics will be the reason he wins.

That and because it is apparent Obama is running from the truth of his past.
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His service was his service. Just like Obama's community service was HIS service. I mention it as one era of his life, not as a credential for becoming President.

McGovern's politics were the reason for his loss. John McCain's politics will be the reason he wins.

That and because it is apparent Obama is running from the truth of his past.
Point is people didn't usually hear McGovern's story from McGovern. He didn't brag about it or use it to ingratiate himself to people. I didn't know about McGovern's war record when he ran. I learned what a brave SOB he was later. That shows class. When they asked McCain how many homes he owns. After having a day or so to come up with a response he pulled the old. "Poor me" card. Well I don'tknow how many homes I own today. But I can tell you where I lived for 5 1/2 years. Come on.
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