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Old 08-29-2008, 03:15 PM
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...it will be interesting to see how the candidates conduct themselves.

They really CAN'T attack each other personally.

McCain can't complain about Obama's youth and inexperience, and then put forth Palin. McCain can't complain about Obama's liberal attitudes towards foreign relations with Joe Biden sitting beside Barack.

Obama can't slam McCain for being a war hawk and all-round nasty guy with Biden sitting there - and he can't complain about McCain being a Washington retread with Biden sitting there.

They will HAVE to present their ideas, their stands, their viewpoints based on the issues.

Both parties have representatives of their parties who are admirable. This will be the best race of my adult (voting) life.

edited to add: Go Obama!
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I hear you. I admire and respect both men and what you say is true. They have each nullified a lot of negatives.
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I'm still waiting for "jello in a suit" to come out firmly on ANY issue.
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I'm still waiting for "jello in a suit" to come out firmly on ANY issue.
You should have listened to his speech. He detailed some things in it.
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You should have listened to his speech. He detailed some things in it.
Some folks won't cut any slack at all. Adept was against Obama before he knew who Obama was. You fill in the name of someone on the left and you get an immediate negative nickname. And everything you ever did was corrupt. And your goal is the destruction of America. Its like automatic.
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You should have listened to his speech. He detailed some things in it.
I did......He didn't. Unless you believe it is possible to give 95% of families a tax cut even though almost 40% don't pay any. Unless you believe that in 10 years we can "replace" 70% of our fuel usage. Hint: it takes more than 8 years to bring a new model automobile into full production.
It was the same old liberal platitudes and vague promises that democrats have been using for 50 years. I can promise you that this winter when it gets cold he won't do like Carter did and tell you to wear a sweater indoors(see this is just the opposite of telling you to raise your thermostat in the summer). They are not asking us to conserve they are TELLING us to LOWER our standard of living.
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Some folks won't cut any slack at all. Adept was against Obama before he knew who Obama was. You fill in the name of someone on the left and you get an immediate negative nickname. And everything you ever did was corrupt. And your goal is the destruction of America. Its like automatic.
Actually I only became aware of Obama at his speech that "launched his career". Since then he has been "the MOST liberal senator" and I have delved into his history so as to learn about him. I back up everything I say about him and nicknames are "just for fun".

By the way if you want a good argument against Mccain.............Anyone that spent five and a half years being tortured is of questionable stability.
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I did......He didn't. Unless you believe it is possible to give 95% of families a tax cut even though almost 40% don't pay any.
Somebody on the radio today caught that, too (local guy)...

It's pretty tough to give familes a "cut" on 0%...I'm sure they'll be pleased knowing they'll be paying ONLY 80% of zero instead of the full zero...
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I did......He didn't. Unless you believe it is possible to give 95% of families a tax cut even though almost 40% don't pay any. Unless you believe that in 10 years we can "replace" 70% of our fuel usage. Hint: it takes more than 8 years to bring a new model automobile into full production.
It was the same old liberal platitudes and vague promises that democrats have been using for 50 years. I can promise you that this winter when it gets cold he won't do like Carter did and tell you to wear a sweater indoors(see this is just the opposite of telling you to raise your thermostat in the summer). They are not asking us to conserve they are TELLING us to LOWER our standard of living.
Last statement first. I don't know where you've been living the past few years, but my standard of living is already lower. And I didnt get that from his speech at all.
One thing I did get is that he has finally said what kind of health care plan he wants to endorse. And it's the one that I liked from Hillary's idea of expanding government employee insurance programs. Which means we pay for our own health care at a reduced rate because we will be counted in a pool like the government employees. So that is paid for. He also said he will encourage congress to give incentives to employers who stay in America instead of tax breaks unilaterally just because they are a big corporation regardless of where they put their plant or hire their workers.
Education was another issue he mentioned. Hold teachers accountable. Educate K through college. Pay for these programs by taking back our big tax breaks from the rich and by examining "line by line" and eliminating wasteful spending and outdated programs.

Replacing fuel: Why can't we do it? During the Clinton administration we mapped DNA (due partly to released funding for general research grants), and we gained the Internet as we know it today in that same time period. Two accomplishments that seem as daunting as replacing fossil or foreign fuel. There are already companies and inventions and creative minds at work on this problem> And the capitalistic incentives are what drew them to invest in alternates and strategies. T. Boon Pickens and the shifting to gas for some of our energy needs, The company that put up three wind farms in Arizona; that are ready to go online; The plants in Florida that have started producing deisel from used restaurant oil; several wind farms in Texas.
Those companies are the ones the government needs to give incentives to. Not manufacturers who go to other countries to hire labor and charge more and more for gasoline, but drill our soil and sell to other countries first.
We have subsidized everything from dairies to electricity. Why not give those companies a boost? When Lyndon Johnson was in congress he helped rural Texas get electricity. Was that wrong?
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Last statement first. I don't know where you've been living the past few years, but my standard of living is already lower. And I didnt get that from his speech at all.
One thing I did get is that he has finally said what kind of health care plan he wants to endorse. And it's the one that I liked from Hillary's idea of expanding government employee insurance programs. And as they go bankrupt guess who gets to decide "what and who" gets cut and what is your recourse against the gov but to shrivel up and die......only one country in the world has done it successfully and it is because THEY are the number 4 oil producer in the world and their government takes all the profits.That plus the fact that they are sparsely populated and have only one major city and NO military.Which means we pay for our own health care at a reduced rate because we will be counted in a pool like the government employees. Oh yes MANDATORY payments to the government that doesn't waste any money. May I remind you that the gov just announced that the medicare fraud rate is ONLY 31% So that is paid for. He also said he will encourage congress to give incentives to employers who stay in America One of the highest corp tax rates in the world right here.instead of tax breaks unilaterally just because they are a big corporation regardless of where they put their plant or hire their workers. Platitudes platitudes...dig a little deeper into what you think he said. Now why do you suppose they would possibly want to leave this great country?
Education was another issue he mentioned. Hold teachers accountable. "No child left behind".....the democrat's favorite mock mock phrase? Educate K through college. Half are not even graduating 12th grade and half of those in college haven't gotten to the 6th grade level and I bet you can't find a college prof making less than $100,000 a year. Check into the amount of wealth tied up in colleges(tax free too)through annuities, trusts and endowments, some universities have bigger budgets than most cities and some states. Pay for these programs by taking back our big tax breaks from the rich and by examining "line by line" and eliminating wasteful spending and outdated programs.Check into the "fair tax"

Replacing fuel: Why can't we do it? During the Clinton administration we mapped DNA (due partly to released funding for general research grants), and we gained the Internet as we know it today in that same time period. Two accomplishments that seem as daunting as replacing fossil or foreign fuel. There are already companies and inventions and creative minds at work on this problem>Duh....wind power was invented 50,000 years ago but have you "priced" one of those wind generators or checked on the maintenance costs or seen the enviros fighting them? And the capitalistic incentives are what drew them to invest in alternates and strategies. T. Boon Pickens and the shifting to gas for some of our energy needs, The company that put up three wind farms in Arizona; that are ready to go online; The plants in Florida that have started producing deisel from used restaurant oil; Yup 25 restaurants could provide your one trucks fuel for 1 day......every third day if they change their oil that often. several wind farms in Texas. Yup some places are great for windmills but electric "transmission" is the problem....getting it from where it is to where its needed(plus the enviros are beginning to fight against wind farms)....but mostly....how much of our electricity is produced by OIL? Almost None.
Those companies are the ones the government needs to give incentives to. If a product is "viable" that is if it works it doesn't NEED to be subsidized as investors are out there looking and can't be stopped.Not manufacturers who go to other countries to hire labor and charge more and more for gasoline, but drill our soil and sell to other countries first.
We have subsidized everything from dairies to electricity. Why not give those companies a boost? When Lyndon Johnson was in congress he helped rural Texas get electricity. Was that wrong?
Simple question........Why is the only fuel for aircraft oil based? You do realize that the only competition for diesel fuel is Kerosene or jet fuel and that the reason diesel has dropped %wise more than gas is because the airlines are beginning to fail. Lets lower our standards some more. America will never ever be as great as it once was because of the liberal ideas attacking EVERYTHING that made our country great.

When Obama told that five year old girl that he was running for president "because our country is not as great as it once was he should have been asked "When was the time that it was better than it is now?" And he would have been shown to be the fool that he is because no matter WHEN he said it was he could have been proven wrong.....I do however fear that his policies will test our greatness because he attacks EVERYTHING that makes our country great.
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