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Palin represents CHANGE in ways which are exactly comparable to the way that Obama represents change.

First term Governor vs first term Senator.

Pretty package vs handsome package.

Unknown policies and no details.

Largely unvetted.

If Obama is qualified, why isn't Palin?

She has executive experience which trumps his limited votes on Senate bills.

Senators vote as one of 100 members of the Senate.

A Governor makes decisions as the final decider.

Yes or no.

The buck stops at her desk.
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And Harry Truman was a school teacher. And Ronald Regan was an actor (not a very good one IMO). JFK was young, but had served in the military, but women of his time period and now too come to think of it, don't have the advantage of becoming "worldly" and well traveled at the expense of the government. Women can join the military but it is still a man's domain.
She got a degree in journalism. And then she wanted to make a difference in her community and state. Nancy Pelosi was a mom who wanted to make her school board and community better for her kids!
As for some people's comments on the lack of population in Alaska, I'm of the mind maybe we need somebody from the rural North or Northwest. After all we have had our fill of easterners and Midwesterners and south westerners and Californians! One thing about small population states, they have all the issues and realities of larger populations-crime, crises, political issues- just in smaller numbers. But those numbers are still relevant to that population!
I think McCain had another reason for picking her besides she is female. She is something of a maverick, and I think he can identify with that.
I'm not saying I will vote for McCain or Obama just yet. I would like to hear more from each candidate and their respective VP choices!
Don't misunderstand what I am saying. Its not impossible for her to even be a good POTUS. My point is that McCain wasn't thinking past the election. I am talking about McCains thought process. He has kept going on and on about Baracks experience and then pulls this. He is pulling everyone's chain IMHO. He will do or say anything lately to get that job. Again we see the game of politics trumps the countries well being.
That's why I won't vote for McCain. He has shown the same disregard for honesty that the current administration has demonstrated. I remember for months when everyone in the country knew Rumsfeld was incompetent. It wasn't until the stink was coming from the right for a long time that the President finally listened to people. Why not sooner? Because win at any cost has infected our politics. So how many died due to the fear of political disapproval? Like they say, If it was one it was one too many.

One question. We now know he has only talked to her a couple of times in his life before picking her. Honestly, You are John McCain. You have to think of someone to take over and protect the country. Someone who is up on the issues etc. So he looks all around him. Again with the nations future in mind. And he selects Sarah Palin?

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Bush's dishonesty bothers me too. That is one reason I haven't made a choice yet. Was leaning McCain, but got caught up in the DNC. Now I am trying to settle down and get serious about picking a President.
But one reason I do like John McCain is because he is not one of that elite conservative group who are worried more about their purse than the welfare of a nation.
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Bush's dishonesty bothers me too. That is one reason I haven't made a choice yet. Was leaning McCain, but got caught up in the DNC. Now I am trying to settle down and get serious about picking a President.
But one reason I do like John McCain is because he is not one of that elite conservative group who are worried more about their purse than the welfare of a nation.
Well good luck with your choice. I kinda see McCain as a slight tweak of the Status quo. I am ready to gamble on something new.

I worry a little bit of McCain being a little too pro military. I think we need to be pro secret intel. Pro CIA. Pro counter espionage. I am pro keeping our boys and girls out of harms way whenever possible. And rarely used as a threat. I think Barack and Biden are more capable of conducting a multi facited national defense. Biden and McCain are both bigger hot heads then Obama. In fact Obama may have the best temperment of any of them.
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Don't misunderstand what I am saying. Its not impossible for her to even be a good POTUS. My point is that McCain wasn't thinking past the election.
There isn't an election in the past 40 YEARS where the presidential nomination thinks past the election...

There are only 2 reasons a VP EVER gets picked to be VP...

1) To stregnthen the presidential candidate's weaknesses...

2) They're from a desperately needed state...

Go read up on JFK and Lyndon Johnson's relationship even before LBJ was picked (Hint : Think of the word "hate")...

I find it midly amusing for a politician to choose another politician...only to have you make the accusation that's it's because of politics...
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There isn't an election in the past 40 YEARS where the presidential nomination thinks past the election...

There are only 2 reasons a VP EVER gets picked to be VP...

1) To stregnthen the presidential candidate's weaknesses...

2) They're from a desperately needed state...

Go read up on JFK and Lyndon Johnson's relationship even before LBJ was picked (Hint : Think of the word "hate")...

I find it midly amusing for a politician to choose another politician...only to have you make the accusation that's it's because of politics...
But this is the difference. McCain has made national defense and experience in that his claim to the realm. And then he picks someone who doesn't know an f-16 from a f-50. He undercut his own argument.
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Palin represents CHANGE in ways which are exactly comparable to the way that Obama represents change.

First term Governor vs first term Senator.
First term Senator on the foriegn relations committee who has traveled the world with seasoned experts. Who has met and become friends with all of the important leaders. And they have already accepted him as compliant intelligent man. And they even seem willing to fall in behind him. A man who has challenged many seasoned politicians and defeated them for the nomination of his party through hard work and against tough odds. A person who has shown his abilities to avoid being caught up in the hype and stay committed and serious. A law professor who teaches constitutional law. A student who graduated with honors.
Pretty package vs handsome package.
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Unknown policies and no details.
Hers are unknown. His are on his website.

Largely unvetted.
She is. They media has dug in to this guy plenty

If Obama is qualified, why isn't Palin?
I just told you. And on top of it all she says she doesn't know much about foriegn relations

She has executive experience which trumps his limited votes on Senate bills.
Why? Being an executive is something that you guys have decided is important. I don't care if she was the head of Disneyland. Bush was a Executive. Nuff said

Senators vote as one of 100 members of the Senate.

A Governor makes decisions as the final decider.
So what? What does that tell yo about the person? Nothing at all.

Yes or no.

The buck stops at her desk.
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But this is the difference. McCain has made national defense and experience in that his claim to the realm. And then he picks someone who doesn't know an f-16 from a f-50. He undercut his own argument.
I have said previously that he undercut his own argument, but he did so because he STRENGTHENS other arguments which ultimately creates a POSITIVE...Ha could afford to take two steps back on national defense and experience because he needed the three steps forward for the other things she brings to the table...

The Democrats did the EXACT SAME THING...Obama's runnin' around talking about "change" and "change" and "change" and "some more change"...Then brings in a guy whose been in the Senate since the Dead Sea was just sick...

And I'm sure you're response would be the very same as mine...That the presidential nominee was willing to TRADE a couple of negatives in order to GET some more positives...

PS - As far as not knowing the difference between an f-16 from a f-50, I'm pretty sure you don't want that argument considering whose on the top of the tickets and whose on the bottom...
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I have said previously that he undercut his own argument, but he did so because he STRENGTHENS other arguments which ultimately creates a POSITIVE...Ha could afford to take two steps back on national defense and experience because he needed the three steps forward for the other things she brings to the table...

The Democrats did the EXACT SAME THING...Obama's runnin' around talking about "change" and "change" and "change" and "some more change"...Then brings in a guy whose been in the Senate since the Dead Sea was just sick...

And I'm sure you're response would be the very same as mine...That the presidential nominee was willing to TRADE a couple of negatives in order to GET some more positives...

PS - As far as not knowing the difference between an f-16 from a f-50, I'm pretty sure you don't want that argument considering whose on the top of the tickets and whose on the bottom...
His pick may make it easier to win an election. But how does it help if he croaks January 21
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His pick may make it easier to win an election. But how does it help if he croaks January 21
Obama and Biden will be nowhere near the White House to take office...
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