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Old 08-28-2008, 08:41 AM
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I personally believe in hearing what a candidate is saying, rather than base my opinions on the color of their skin. Aren't we past that already?
I personally believe in making sure that what the candidate is saying is true...I also personally believe that judgement and character are just as important, if not moreso, than what the candidates' writers decided to put up on the teleprompter...
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I personally believe in making sure that what the candidate is saying is true...I also personally believe that judgement and character are just as important, if not moreso, than what the candidates' writers decided to put up on the teleprompter...
So your not voting?
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So your not voting?
I've already stated my position elsewhere on this forum...

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I will NOT be voting FOR anyone this election...

I MAY vote AGAINST Obama by flicking the McCain switch...

Or I may not vote for president this year (I will vote...Candidates in the smaller races need love, too)...
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I've already stated my position elsewhere on this forum...
I still like what that soldier said yesterday. If you do what you did you get what you got.
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I personally believe in hearing what a candidate is saying, rather than base my opinions on the color of their skin. Aren't we past that already?
Not according to the left. They are all about how this is an historic event - a black man running for President. The fact is, if Sen. Obama was white, we'd be seeing Hillary at the DNC convention accepting the nomiation, all the while hearing about about how it's a historic event - a woman running for President.
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Are you being disingenuous or are you so devoid of insight in this matter that you honestly can't see that Steele has nailed it?
American Blacks and Whites recognize there is something to Steele's assertions.
How the hell do you justify that claim???
You're just saying what's convenient. Bolstering what sounds good.
Can you show any evidence for your claim? Or are the writings of some author all you have?

Can you point to ANYBODY on this board who votes as the author claims?


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I'm not saying that Obama's "bargain" with America is the ONLY reason for his success in the campaign so far.
He is a good looking, intelligent, charismatic guy.
There is a LOT more to it than just that.
I've already posted a poll that showed that McCain's association with Bush is MORE TROUBLESOME for American voters than Obama's relationship with his pastor.

Obama will bring about the change that this nation sorely needs. A change away from a prospective 12 Bush years.

Some people can't handle the truth, so they deal in lies. Your lies have already been exposed on other threads. Your willingness to deal in lies, "cause it's a presidential candidate", has also been exposed.

I have heard a variety of people speak on their reasoning for supporting Obama.
NONE of it has to do with this claim that Obama will take away "white guilt".


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Not according to the left. They are all about how this is an historic event - a black man running for President. The fact is, if Sen. Obama was white, we'd be seeing Hillary at the DNC convention accepting the nomiation, all the while hearing about about how it's a historic event - a woman running for President.
I love how some people complain about Obama ACCURATELY predicting the right would drag race into this...
And then you see crap like the above. People dragging race into this by any means possible...
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I love how some people complain about Obama ACCURATELY predicting the right would drag race into this...
And then you see crap like the above. People dragging race into this by any means possible...
Excuse me!! I don't know anyone on the right who could give a rat's ass about Sen. Obama's racial heritage. The only ones I hear spouting off about it are those on the left. But, if I point out that fact, then I'm being racist.
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yeah
because racism is always shouted from the rooftops
it's never insinuated and insidiously lurking beneath the surface
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yeah
because racism is always shouted from the rooftops
it's never insinuated and insidiously lurking beneath the surface
And sometimes it's shouted from the rooftops by the very people who puff themselves up acting like they are fighting it. Either a persons racial heritage matters or it doesn't. The left is the only side making a huge deal about Sen. Obama's race, not the right. People want to think that the only kind of racism is "anti", but being "pro" is just as bad (worse, IMO because it's far more insidious). Giving a Presidential candidate additional benefit just because of his race is as bad as taking away from him because of his race.
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Excuse me!! I don't know anyone on the right who could give a rat's ass about Sen. Obama's racial heritage. The only ones I hear spouting off about it are those on the left. But, if I point out that fact, then I'm being racist.
1) I didn't call you a racist.
2) I repeated what Obama said about the right dragging race into this.
Which is what you did.
In many insidious and disgusting ways, the right IS dragging race into this.

(Now, that isn't to say that some Democrat detractors haven't done the same. But I'll happily observe the Democrat side and call it for what it is...
On the flip side, your position is that you "don't know" about what's happening on your side...)

3) So what we have here is that you "don't know anyone on the right" who cares about Sen Obama's racial heritage.
I "don't know anyone on the left" who wouldn't vote for him if he weren't black...

The difference being that I CAN point to Republicans who DO comment on Obama's racial heritage...
Can you show me anybody on the left who is saying "Well, If Obama were white, I wouldn't vote for him..." ???

Funny how these things work out, eh?
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