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Old 08-24-2008, 05:33 PM
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No doubt Biden is guilty of plagiarism,he forgot to give credit in "every" speech.Does it really matter?..sure it does but frankly...all writers do this to some extent but most of us make an "effort to note that the work presented is in part drawn from someone else. Biden has been careless and the accusation is fair but in an election year,things get blown out of proportion by both camps. It's political warfare at it's worst but it is what it is.This is the business they have chosen.
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That is YOUR opinion after having been made known of the facts. What will the rest of the voters think? Do you think we should keep this information from them?
It's not my opinion. It's fact. Politicians do things that they end up regretting later. If you have an argument that is EXCLUSIVELY against Obama, then fine. If your argument can be attributed to politics in general, then you have a great deal more work to do.

I think the voters only need the RELEVANT information. If McCain and Obama are guilty of the same thing, then it's irrelevant as they are both equally guilty.
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Negative character traits do not equate poor leadership. Otherwise you would have to view McCain leaving his first wife and the Keeting situation, and his ties with certain fundamentalist dominionist Christian leaders.

FDR wasn't exactly the champion of high personal morality. Churchill too. Any politician has the things you are discussing. You'll have to make an argument that is EXCLUSIVELY Obama. If it has been related to another national leader, the issue is void.
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It's not my opinion. It's fact. Politicians do things that they end up regretting later. If you have an argument that is EXCLUSIVELY against Obama, then fine. If your argument can be attributed to politics in general, then you have a great deal more work to do.

I think the voters only need the RELEVANT information. If McCain and Obama are guilty of the same thing, then it's irrelevant as they are both equally guilty.
If one example of seriously bad judgment is just human nature and a dozen is about the average for being featured on the Jerry Springer show, what do you call it when Obama's exhibits close to fifty such examples?

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You may not call it bad leadership, but you must admit it is BAD JUDGMENT.

I think Obama's is a case of SERIAL BAD JUDGMENT!
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I, for one, certainly do not consider all those to be "bad judgment" - some very good people on that list.

I, for one, find it hysterical that the man's wife is on the list.

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I, for one, certainly do not consider all those to be "bad judgment" - some very good people on that list.

I, for one, find it hysterical that the man's wife is on the list.

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Everyone on the left keeps defending Sen. Obama, but I don't here anything from them about the core issue here. There are a lot of people/orgs. on that list that most people would not associate with. How do you respond to the cold-hard fact that Sen. Obama has a substantial number of people that are close to him that are not the kind of people you want influencing the President of the US?
Try to keep your answers about the issue itself and avoid counter-attacking or deflecting and just tell us what you think about Sen. Obama's realtionship with these people. My guess is that we'll get the usual "But, what about..." or "You just want to...", but hopefully someone out there will actually put thier cards on the table and discuss this instead of deflecting, distracting or disengaging.
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I like the man.
I like his ideologies.
I like his agenda and ideas for the future of the U.S.

I don't believe that I have the right to tell the man who he can have dinner or play golf with.

I don't believe everybody on that list is a negative influence.

i don't believe ANYBODY has 50 "close" friends and influences.

I do believe it's all a lot of political nastiness and bull****.
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Everyone on the left keeps defending Sen. Obama, but I don't here anything from them about the core issue here. There are a lot of people/orgs. on that list that most people would not associate with. How do you respond to the cold-hard fact that Sen. Obama has a substantial number of people that are close to him that are not the kind of people you want influencing the President of the US?
Try to keep your answers about the issue itself and avoid counter-attacking or deflecting and just tell us what you think about Sen. Obama's realtionship with these people. My guess is that we'll get the usual "But, what about..." or "You just want to...", but hopefully someone out there will actually put thier cards on the table and discuss this instead of deflecting, distracting or disengaging.

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Everyone on the left keeps defending Sen. Obama, but I don't here anything from them about the core issue here. There are a lot of people/orgs. on that list that most people would not associate with. How do you respond to the cold-hard fact that Sen. Obama has a substantial number of people that are close to him that are not the kind of people you want influencing the President of the US?
Try to keep your answers about the issue itself and avoid counter-attacking or deflecting and just tell us what you think about Sen. Obama's realtionship with these people. My guess is that we'll get the usual "But, what about..." or "You just want to...", but hopefully someone out there will actually put thier cards on the table and discuss this instead of deflecting, distracting or disengaging.
You know what is funny? When it looked as though Hillary had it tied up I saw all these lists connecting the Clintons to all sorts of crimes. From rape to murder. Hillary was accused of being a lesbian and that her and bill had a power sharing agreement. Now Obama has the ticket and we have new lists. Does anyone else see a pattern here?
You guys complain that we Obama supporters refuse to see the truth. If you guys were not so obvious you might make some small case. But every time the right goes over the top with accusations. And it makes these things lose any credibility. Nobody has poited to Obama doing anything wrong. In fact his bio is a good bio. So we have to make him bad by association. Forget that crap.
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I like the man.
I like his ideologies.
I like his agenda and ideas for the future of the U.S.

I don't believe that I have the right to tell the man who he can have dinner or play golf with.

I don't believe everybody on that list is a negative influence.

i don't believe ANYBODY has 50 "close" friends and influences.

I do believe it's all a lot of political nastiness and bull****.
I don't want bigots to dine with me.

I don't want terrorists who exploded bombs in the US Capitol and regrets not having set more bombs to dine with me.

I don't want to break bread with Communists who are working to overthrow our govt. and our system of government.

I don't want to spend quality time with the kind of folks who find ideological kinship with Nazis.

I don't want to associate with those who hate America, kill babies for a living, those who are indicted felons, or international fugitives, or associated with Islamic terrorism.

And I would rather not marry someone who is not proud of this great country.

And anyone who does or would is seriously ****ed up.

And if all that isn't enough reason to shy away from Obama.

Just consider the fact that he has actively lied and tried to hide and confuse and obfuscate any clues to the real nature of his associations with these people when possible.

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Responding to criticism by Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, Barack Obama declared his strong opposition to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan:

I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan.


Obama also went on to condemn his Church's award to Farrakhan and his minister's tight relationship with him.

But a former Obama insider says that Obama's sudden aversion to NOI and Farrakhan is belied by the fact that Obama employed and continues to employ several Farrakhan acolytes in high positions on his Illinois and U.S. Senate campaign and office staffs. I have verified that this person--who agreed to talk on the condition of anonymity--held a key position in the Obama campaign. The insider was so close to Senator Obama that they frequently personally discussed and exchanged direct e-mail messages on campaign and policy matters. This person is not connected with the Clintons and is not a disgruntled employee.

The insider says he frequently objected to Mr. Obama's placement of Cynthia K. Miller, a member of the Nation of Islam, as the Treasurer of his U.S. Senate campaign. When I contacted Miller, now a Chicago real estate agent, to verify whether she was a member of the Nation of Islam and whether she shared Louis Farrakhan's bigoted views about Jews, she responded, "None of your business! Where are you going with this?" She said her resignation as Obama's treasurer had nothing to do with her Nation of Islam ties. Then, she hung up.

The Obama insider says he also objected to Obama's involvement with Jennifer Mason, whom he says is also a member of the Nation of Islam. Mason is Obama's Director of Constituent Services in his U.S. Senate office and is also in charge of selecting Obama's Senate interns. She did not respond to repeated calls for comment.

But it's not just that he employed these individuals in positions of power in his office, it's that when the former associate raised objections, he says Mr. Obama's position was that he saw nothing wrong with the Nation of Islam and didn't think it was a problem. If true--and the fact that Ms. Mason still holds her prominent Obama Senate staff position bears that out--Obama's condemnation of Farrakhan, this month, is phony.


But the insider says there is more to it than that. Obama's Illinois State Senate district consisted of prime Nation of Islam territory, including Hyde Park, home to Farrakhan's mansion. It is not possible, Illinois politicos say, to win that district without the blessing of the NOI leader. NOI members, including consultant Shakir Muhammad, held important roles in the Obama state senate campaign.

How many Nation of Islam members will work in an Obama White House?
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I like the man.
I like his ideologies.
I like his agenda and ideas for the future of the U.S.
He has no ideas...he has the word "change" and "believe" and "hope"...

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I don't believe that I have the right to tell the man who he can have dinner or play golf with.
No ones questioning rights...

We ask what your OPINION is of a guy who frequently had dinner with someone who has consistantly demanded the destruction of another country...

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I don't believe everybody on that list is a negative influence.
What percentage is good enough for you?...60%...40%...20%...

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i don't believe ANYBODY has 50 "close" friends and influences.
A politician?!?!?!...

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I do believe it's all a lot of political nastiness and bull****.
Just like the defenders of Obama's pastor...Until Obama threw him under the bus of course...
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