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bhkad · #1 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 03:36 AM

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Why would Obama be friends with someone who bombed the US Capitol?

bhkad · #2 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 04:21 AM

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Was Weather Underground leader Bill Ayers really just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," as Obama described him? (More on Obama and Ayers from Roger L. Simon here. )

August 22, 2008 - by Tom Maguire

Barack Obama and the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers have worked closely together on education reform since 1995, and possibly since 1987. Obama has obfuscated and minimized this association in his public statements and on his website. Why the cover-up? We don’t know, since we aren’t sure what is being concealed.

It’s becoming known as the Annenberg Challenge cover-up and it’s become big news since the McCain campaign highlighted it in a press release late Wednesday.

In the past few days, Stanley Kurtz of the National Review has been trying to get access to the archives of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an education reform group co-founded by Bill Ayers in 1995 and chaired by Barack Obama from 1995 to 1999. After originally giving Mr. Kurtz permission, the library then told him that he could not proceed because they did not have proper authorization from the donor of the archives. They would not identify the donor, but the library assured Mr. Kurtz that they hoped to conclude an agreement and make the documents available soon. And why that cover-up?

This is what we know. Bill Ayers was a leader of the Weather Underground, a violent radical student group of the 1960s. His father, Thomas Ayers, was a prominent Chicago business and philanthropic leader who served as an adviser to Mayor Richard J. Daley, father of the current Chicago mayor. Although he is not apologetic about his terrorist past (and had the bad luck to be quoted as saying, in an interview that ran on Sept 11 2001, that “I don’t regret setting bombs. … I feel we didn’t do enough.”), Bill Ayers has been accepted back into the Chicago political community and has been an informal adviser to the current Mayor Daley on education reform.

But regardless of his cachet in the liberal circles of Chicago politics, presidential candidate Barack Obama has not been eager to explain his own relationship with Bill Ayers. Published reports from February 2008 gave a glimmer of their ties. In 1995 Ayers hosted a fund-raiser for Obama prior to Obama’s run for Alice Palmer’s seat in the state Senate; they both served on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago from 1999 to 2002; and Ayers donated $200 to Obama’s state Senate campaign. Other researchers and reporters (for example, Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun Times) noted a few joint panel appearances and a favorable review by Obama of a book by Bill Ayers.

But even this was more than Obama was willing to admit. Asked point blank by George Stephanopoulos in the Philadelphia debate preceding the Pennsylvania primary to “explain that relationship for the voters,” Obama prevaricated by pretending he scarcely knew Ayers:

This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

It was left to Hillary Clinton to remind Obama of his service with Ayers on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. The next day the Obama campaign posted at their website a “Fact Check” purporting to explain the relationship. Other reporters had been told that “Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school.” They were left with the impression that Ayers and Obama had first met at the 1995 fundraiser.

And what was missing?

Find out at link.

Pajamas Media » Obama, Ayers and the Annenberg Challenge Cover-Up

saltwn · #3 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 01:28 PM

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Weatherman ideology
Bill Ayers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Weathermen were initially part of the Revolutionary Youth Movement (RYM) within the SDS, splitting from the RYM's Maoists by claiming there was no time to build a vanguard party and that revolutionary war against the United States government and the capitalist system should begin immediately. Their founding document called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[11] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."

Very interesting.

bhkad · #4 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 02:04 PM

In sales training you learn to sell NOT the steak, but the SIZZLE. You paint a picture of how the sizzling will sound, how the aromas will smell, the taste with the rest of the food in the meal and the satisfied looks of your loving family when you serve and then enjoy the steak.

So, I understand people being attracted to the 'sizzle' he projects. But when you get closer to Obama's 'steak' you see signs that it is rotten and there are maggots like Ayers crawling all over and around it.

cnredd · #5 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Very interesting.

It's much worse than "interesting"...

Read further down...

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In the months before Ayers' memoir was published on September 10, 2001, the author gave numerous interviews with newspaper and magazine writers in which he defended his overall history of radical words and actions.

Ayers was asked by an interviewer for the PBS television program Independent Lens, "How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances?" He replied:

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I’ve thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it’s impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don’t think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable.

That's a BIG problem Obama supporters push aside when they hear Obama say that he shouldn't be be criticized for hanging with a guy who did stuff 40 years ago...

AYERS IS NOT SORRY FOR HIS ACTIONS...HE STILL BELIEVES HE WAS JUST...

Would you not only be friends with, but work on a charity fund AND a board AND kickstart your political career at the house of a guy who does't feel sorry for raping a young child?...How about a guy who killed his parents and tells people he did the right thing?...

I don't think so...

If Ayers was truly sorry for his actions and was completely rehabilitated and rallied against people who thought and acted like he once did, there'd be a shot at this being a non-issue...Think of a gang-banger who goes around telling kids not to join gangs or a former junkie doing school assemblies speaking about the dangers of addiction...in fact, that would be pretty commendable..

But Ayers is no such person...

He still defends his actions and those of the Weathermen and is totally unrepentant for planting bombs and having his organization kill policemen...

And if Obama says he didn't know this while not only working with him, but also giving him hundreds of thousands of dollars while he was the president of the Annenberg Challenge charity fund, then he is blatantly ignorant or downright lying...

bhkad · #6 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

It's much worse than "interesting"...

Read further down...

That's a BIG problem Obama supporters push aside when they hear Obama say that he shouldn't be be criticized for hanging with a guy who did stuff 40 years ago...

AYERS IS NOT SORRY FOR HIS ACTIONS...HE STILL BELIEVES HE WAS JUST...

Would you not only be friends with, but work on a charity fund AND a board AND kickstart your political career at the house of a guy who does't feel sorry for raping a young child?...How about a guy who killed his parents and tells people he did the right thing?...

I don't think so...

If Ayers was truly sorry for his actions and was completely rehabilitated and rallied against people who thought and acted like he once did, there'd be a shot at this being a non-issue...Think of a gang-banger who goes around telling kids not to join gangs or a former junkie doing school assemblies speaking about the dangers of addiction...in fact, that would be pretty commendable..

But Ayers is no such person...

He still defends his actions and those of the Weathermen and is totally unrepentant for planting bombs and having his organization kill policemen...

And if Obama says he didn't know this while not only working with him, but also giving him hundreds of thousands of dollars while he was the president of the Annenberg Challenge charity fund, then he is blatantly ignorant or downright lying...

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Mikeyy · #7 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 07:30 PM

This is why I am confident that BHKAD will not vote for Obama. Now don't hold me to this. But I feel pretty good on this prediction. I am not sure about cnredd though. I think he could be persuaded to step in to the light.

saltwn · #8 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

This is why I am confident that BHKAD will not vote for Obama. Now don't hold me to this. But I feel pretty good on this prediction. I am not sure about cnredd though. I think he could be persuaded to step in to the light.

Ya think?

Mikeyy · #9 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Ya think?

Te he he he

cnredd · #10 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

This is why I am confident that BHKAD will not vote for Obama. Now don't hold me to this. But I feel pretty good on this prediction. I am not sure about cnredd though. I think he could be persuaded to step in to the light.

I may be sensing sarcasm here...

I'm not quite sure...

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