Know Enough? - Page 2

Mikeyy · #11 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

I may be sensing sarcasm here...

I'm not quite sure...

You couldn't possibly be sensing it. Dems are the sensitive party.

cnredd · #12 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

You couldn't possibly be sensing it. Dems are the sensitive party.

I used to be a Dem...

Maybe it's genetic...

faithful_servant · #13 (**permalink**) 08-22-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

This is why I am confident that BHKAD will not vote for Obama. Now don't hold me to this. But I feel pretty good on this prediction. I am not sure about cnredd though. I think he could be persuaded to step in to the light.

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Originally Posted by cnredd

I may be sensing sarcasm here...

I'm not quite sure...

Sarcasm??? I thought that was the most intelligent post I've ever seen Mikeyy make. He actually got something right for once.

(far too easy...)

bhkad · #14 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 09:33 PM

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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''

--- Former domestic terrorist, revolutionary, leftist/Socialist and friend of Barack Obama, Bill Ayers. New York Times 9/11/01

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen - New York Times

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"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents—that's where it's really at."

--- Bill Ayers
No Regrets - Chicago Magazine - August 2001 - Chicago

YouTube - Obama's terrorist connections - William Ayers

"Ayers was a terrorist. Bernadine Dohrn was a terrorist. Ayers has never offered one word of apology, he glories in it, thinks it's terrific. And that to me is not what I would call acceptable or mainstream behavior."

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In 1980, Ayers and Dohrn turned themselves in. (The first words Ayers's father said to him were, "You need a haircut.") By then they had had two children together, and the bombing conspiracy charge against the couple had been dismissed due to government misconduct.

Dohrn plea-bargained to charges of inciting to mob action and resisting police officers. She was sentenced to three years' probation and a $1,500 fine. Ayers was not charged. Even then he showed a way with words: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country," he said.

No Regrets - Chicago Magazine - August 2001 - Chicago

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"I think there will be another mass political movement," he predicts, "because I believe that the kind of injustice that is built into our world will not go quietly into the night."

--- Bill Ayers in 2001
No Regrets - Chicago Magazine - August 2001 - Chicago

At a book signing sometime between 9/11/01 and 11/16/01...

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Listening to Mr. Ayers is fascinating and sickening; he personifies the moral bankruptcy of the far left. He said of the antiwar socialists of the '60s that "there were many factions organizing and agitating and moving in different directions. Some people decided to go join the industrial working class and organize there, some people joined the Democratic Party, other people tried other things, and the question that I still can't answer is, who did the right thing? I don't know."

The moral laxity is breathtaking: Union organization, voting, setting bombs--as long as you opposed the Vietnam War, what's the difference?

"We did many things that were wrong; I have a lot of regrets for many of the things that happened," he said. Does he regret siding with a brutal communist regime against America? "Certainly, the death of the three, my girlfriend and two other close, close friends, was a disaster." In other words, he regrets that his friends accidentally died while building a bomb, not that they were building a bomb in the first place.

Mr. Ayers continues: "Certainly flirting with the idea of terrorism was off the tracks and a mistake. The fact that we never executed that flirtation is important and significant and I think conveniently forgotten, but we never did." In fact, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts did set off a bomb at the Pentagon. In his book, he writes: "It turns out that we blew up a bathroom and, quite by accident, water plunged below and knocked out their computers for a time, disrupting the air war and sending me into deepening shades of delight." In those four little words, "disrupting the air war," there is the dark prospect of American soldiers in jeopardy.

Later in the talk, Mr. Ayers declared: "The fact is that there was an official policy of our government to create terrorism in Vietnam. . . . How you resisted that policy was a burning question, and is still a good question."

So, to recap: The Weathermen weren't terrorists, but the U.S. Marines were. Even if we accept this perverse semantic equation, the position of the Weathermen's apologists is still remarkable.

One audience member said later of Mr. Ayers's "burning question": "The answer is, in this country, we vote [those pursuing a policy we don't like] out of office. . . . I personally spent all of 1972 working all day and all night to elect George McGovern, and I will tell you that your tactics made it harder to vote the Richard Nixons out of office."

Even if you don't lament having been deprived of a McGovern presidency, it's hard to say anything nice about a man who to this day doesn't understand what was wrong with engaging in terrorism. Maybe Mr. Ayers will never learn.

The Wall Street Journal Online - Extra

Mikeyy · #15 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 10:18 PM

OK lets get you over this BS. Ayers is sure some kind of terrorist. More like an idiot if you ask me. And Baracks connection. Geeeez. I knew I shouldn't have wasted my time looking in to this.
Obama's 'Weatherman' Connection - Fact Checker

cnredd · #16 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

OK lets get you over this BS. Ayers is sure some kind of terrorist. More like an idiot if you ask me. And Baracks connection. Geeeez. I knew I shouldn't have wasted my time looking in to this.
Obama's 'Weatherman' Connection - Fact Checker

From your source...

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The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board

This is either a lie or a complete ignorance of facts...

I have FULLY DOCUMENTED how Obama...as PRESIDENT of the Annenberg Challenge Fund, gave a grant worth HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to "some guy in Obama's neighborhood (Ayers...The very same guy who FOUNDED the Chicago Branch of Annenberg's Challenge Fund)"...

This article is either sorely researched or outsourced directly from Obama's campaign...

saltwn · #17 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 03:00 AM

A lot of stuff went down during the VietNam war protesting days.
I think we were as close to a revolution in this country as we have ever been since the 1800's. MAybe as close as the 1700's.
Lyndon Johnson stepped down. Richard Nixon brought the troops home.
So maybe the revolutions and the counter revolutions did have a real affect on society.
I know there was one huge generation of folks who weren't going to take the establishment (aka: the bourgeoisie) 's bull anymore.
We didn't have to. They had to listen because there were so many of us. And we had plenty to say.
About civil rights, women's rights, getting us into a war for the sake of big contracts, BBQ's next to your neighbor's identical backyard...
Lota stuff just happened and I'm grateful for most of it. It taught us to think for ourselves a little bit and not just accept some pat explanation of why we should send our brothers and sisters to get slaughtered. People started wanting to save the planet from nuclear disaster and from the disaster of trash and pollution.
If it took blowing up the freaking Pentagon to get the fat cats attention that we were serious as a heart attack then that's what it took.
That was then. And this is now. We don't have the same focused goals as we did then. Thank God on the one hand and pray God that we did on the other.

Spencer Collins · #18 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 04:48 AM

I guess I'm one of those radicals,never set bombs off but I did deface Federal property to make a statement.The Weathermen were a couple of years older than me but I did hang out with members of the SDS. They were crazy times,kids in the neighborhood were drafted never to be seen again.The government lied to us about the death toll. To say that we became disenchanted with the war and the powers that be would be an understatement!

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