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Old 08-18-2008, 12:12 AM
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Here's Obama on abortion under the Bush Admin during his Q&A with Rev. Warren...(42 seconds in)...


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Although we've had a president whose opposed to abortions over the last 8 years, abortions have not gone down.
But according to the most recent data, abortions DID go down during Bush's administration...

Also, here's the chart for abortions since Roe v. Wade...theres been a steady decline long before Bush and continuing through his presidency (from the pro-choice Guttmacher Institute)...



Either Obama is outright lying or he's just making it up as he goes along...

BTW - I wouldn't credit the president if they went up OR down...
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Campaign Admits Obama Lied About Abortion Vote, Media Asleep



Campaign Admits Obama Lied About Abortion Vote, Media Asleep : Stop The ACLU


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Newly discovered documents from the Illinois state archives prove Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has lied about his opposition to legislation requiring health officials to provide care to babies who survived abortion as an Illinois state senator.

Obama has claimed again and again he would have supported his state’s version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act if it included language to protect abortion rights guaranteed by Roe v. Wade and viciously attacked conservative opponents who suggested otherwise. Now there’s documentation showing Obama did vote against a version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act that contained language to protect abortion rights identical to the bill that passed 98-0 in the U.S. Senate.

“We have a smoking gun committee report,” the National Right to Life Committee’s Legislative Counsel Susan Muskett said. NRLC posted the unearthed documents from the Illinois senate archives Monday.
Amanda Carpenter :: Townhall.com :: Obama Lied About Abortion Record

I Googled, "obama lies about abortion bill" and here's what I found.

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I can imagine now the Lamb of Chicago supporters calling you a racist because of this smear...

How DARE you call someone out on their own words!...
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All the rhetoric aside, the reason I cannot vote for a Democratic candidate this go round is fear their SC appointments will lead to a renewal of partial birth abortions.
And yes it is relevant.
Until th Democrats get their head out of their butts on this one, I will vote a straight Rep ticket with maybe an Independent now and then. I don't want any Democrat climbing the ladder of power on my vote.
A lot of stuff I like that they stand for, but this is intolerable. It looks like a group of people who pride themselves on protecting the weak would have taken up the cause of the weakest and most silent victim.
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All the rhetoric aside, the reason I cannot vote for a Democratic candidate this go round is fear their SC appointments will lead to a renewal of partial birth abortions.
And yes it is relevant.
Until th Democrats get their head out of their butts on this one, I will vote a straight Rep ticket with maybe an Independent now and then. I don't want any Democrat climbing the ladder of power on my vote.
A lot of stuff I like that they stand for, but this is intolerable. It looks like a group of people who pride themselves on protecting the weak would have taken up the cause of the weakest and most silent victim.
As much as I agree philosophically, I can't use that as a litmus test when deciding the CoC...

I'll take a pro-choice person strong on foreign policy over a pro-life guy who wants to have tea with our enemies everyday and twice on Sunday...

I will never choose a president based on their opinion on when life begins...There are other issues more important to national security and the well being of our country for that...

As much as I may hate their opinion, I'd rather vote for someone who has America in their best interests than a weakling who just happens to agree to agree with me on this subject...

It flabbergasts me to hear someone say "I agree with every one of the candidate's policies except abortion" and they have no intention to vote for them...
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As much as I agree philosophically, I can't use that as a litmus test when deciding the CoC...

I'll take a pro-choice person strong on foreign policy over a pro-life guy who wants to have tea with our enemies everyday and twice on Sunday...

I will never choose a president based on their opinion on when life begins...There are other issues more important to national security and the well being of our country for that...

As much as I may hate their opinion, I'd rather vote for someone who has America in their best interests than a weakling who just happens to agree to agree with me on this subject...

It flabbergasts me to hear someone say "I agree with every one of the candidate's policies except abortion" and they have no intention to vote for them...
I know you're not intentionally directing that at me, but let me state I said I favor a lot of their policies. I think Hillary might have been better on war, but Obama is not right for that issue either.
And there was a time when I thought as you do about the abortion thing. But at this time in history with the SC getting older, the next president or two will change the course of history on that issue, maybe forever. Wars will come and go, but if we continue to allow infanticide, we are taking a long dark road that may not have a light any time soon.
It's too sad we have only two choices. I wish it was different.
But I am superstitious.
I think if you know something is evil and you do it anyway, there will be consequences.
Part of my horror is that I didn't even know they did partial birth abortions till a couple years ago. I still cannot believe humans can reason that away.
I wasn't interested in the abortion issue because I know women have been having them for years. But even in back room clinics there was a point they knew it couldn't be done. And if it was done, the perpetrator and the mother were prosecuted for murder.
We used to call the indigenous Hawaiians barbaric for leaving their malformed or female babies out for the animals to eat. Now we are doing the same thing with partial birth abortion. You can argue about early abortion all day, but no one can claim the practice of killing a viable infant as it's being born or mutilating it to deliver it is anything but horrendous.
Our sense of the grotesque keeps getting pushed further and further into num-num land. Well I won't stand for this. I will stand up and describe the procedure in gross detail to anyone who says it's a woman's choice or right to privacy. It is not a woman's choice. If you don't believe in God, then it's nature's choice. But it isn't hers. It was never hers.
Most black people I know don't believe in abortion at all. It's the silly white witches who have pushed this puppet to the top of their basket and allow him to think he's anything but the marionette of radical outrageous socialism. The Russian Revolution had women rights issues too. They want people to believe that all the bad things they want to do are O.K., if they'll just carry the party standard.
It's more than partial birth abortion that keeps me from voting for the first black president. But partial birth abortion is so indicative of the entire ideology.
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I can imagine now the Lamb of Chicago supporters calling you a racist because of this smear...

How DARE you call someone out on their own words!...
America is my client. Not Bush, McCain, the G.O.P. or Conservatism in general. And with what I've read, certainly not Obama.
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America is my client. Not Bush, McCain, the G.O.P. or Conservatism in general. And with what I've read, certainly not Obama.
It was sarcasm...
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It was sarcasm...
Thank you. I was aware of that. I was just sayin.
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