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Old 08-02-2008, 10:59 PM
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The Election Has Already Been Decided: McCain Wins

Until now Obama has seemed unassailable, but this week we saw that he is far from that.

He makes rookie mistakes. He can be rattled. He has character flaws. He has 'baggage.' And his positions on domestic issues and in regards to foreign relations are eye opening. Actually, they are astounding. And all it will take for McCain to win is to simply expose all these things to the American people and that will be that.

And all of those things became clear this week.

And if it is true, as is posited by the strategist, Sun Tzu, in "The Art of War," that, "every battle is won before it is ever fought," then, for all intents and purposes, McCain won and (obviously) Obama lost this week.

And all that remains is for the Obama followers to begin their shouting, wailing and gnashing of teeth.



I don't know that I want to spoil the party by mentioning everything in detail in the first post, but I know you are curious as to how I come to this audacious conclusion.

In the next 12 weeks the American voter will be looking at both candidates with increased intensity. When they look at John McCain they will see a man of wisdom, experience, sound judgment, strong leadership, independence, courage, dedication, a sense of duty, of honor, of character, of strength and of patriotism, "in a measure and in a magnitude that is epic," to paraphrase Gov. Tim Pawlenty.

But when they look at Obama they will have questions about his heritage. Questions about the people in his life. Questions about his methods. Questions about his inexperience. Questions about his judgment. Questions about his proposed policies and positions. Questions about his character.

When they look at Obama they will wonder if he is ready to lead. And whenever there is doubt that candidate will be left out.
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(BTW, I tried doing anagrams of the 7 different categories which would raise questions in voter's minds but they turned out rather unflatteringly.

Heritage, People, Methods, Inexperience, Judgment, Policies, Character.

HPMIJPC

All I could figure out was, "Chimp PJ" and "Ch J Pimp." Neither of which I want to use when referring to him.)
In the next 12 weeks those are the areas where America will find reasons to question Obama's suitability for the office of President. And there is nothing he will be able to do to make these questions disappear or to answer them positively and/or to most voter's satisfaction.

He can't change his heritage but he can try to obscure it. He can't deny the people he has formed associations with or done business deals with. His methods are on record, as is his lack of experience. He has already shown poor judgment in several areas which would negatively impact our faith in his ability to perform adequately. His proposed policies in some cases are shockingly un-American in nature and detrimental to our current situation. And some of the things he has done reveal character traits which would surprise and disappoint most of his current supporters.

All the McCain camp has to do is expose these facts to the public.

And because these flaws already exist and can't be erased, that means the race has already been decided.

McCain wins by a landslide.

The Democrats and Liberals in the audience may now begin whining.

I know this is stunning news to you. But, just like in 2004, you will get over it.

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It all depends on how and if the swing voters vote. If you get a significant amount of people who are unsatisfied with either candidate they will stay home or vote for a third party. And I'm thinking that strategy would definitely go in Obama's favor.
However if Regan Democrat and Ron Paul voters vote for McCain as well as if conservatives vote conservatively, then it goes to McCain. Still too early to tell. One good debate and one misspoken word could turn it in favor of either candidate.
Still too early to tell.
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The Election Has Already Been Decided: McCain Wins

Until now Obama has seemed unassailable, but this week we saw that he is far from that.

He makes rookie mistakes. He can be rattled. He has character flaws. He has 'baggage.' And his positions on domestic issues and in regards to foreign relations are eye opening. Actually, they are astounding. And all it will take for McCain to win is to simply expose all these things to the American people and that will be that.

And all of those things became clear this week.

And if it is true, as is posited by the strategist, Sun Tzu, in "The Art of War," that, "every battle is won before it is ever fought," then, for all intents and purposes, McCain won and (obviously) Obama lost this week.

And all that remains is for the Obama followers to begin their shouting, wailing and gnashing of teeth.



I don't know that I want to spoil the party by mentioning everything in detail in the first post, but I know you are curious as to how I come to this audacious conclusion.

In the next 12 weeks the American voter will be looking at both candidates with increased intensity. When they look at John McCain they will see a man of wisdom, experience, sound judgment, strong leadership, independence, courage, dedication, a sense of duty, of honor, of character, of strength and of patriotism, "in a measure and in a magnitude that is epic," to paraphrase Gov. Tim Pawlenty.

But when they look at Obama they will have questions about his heritage. Questions about the people in his life. Questions about his methods. Questions about his inexperience. Questions about his judgment. Questions about his proposed policies and positions. Questions about his character.

When they look at Obama they will wonder if he is ready to lead. And whenever there is doubt that candidate will be left out.


In the next 12 weeks those are the areas where America will find reasons to question Obama's suitability for the office of President. And there is nothing he will be able to do to make these questions disappear or to answer them positively and/or to most voter's satisfaction.

He can't change his heritage but he can try to obscure it. He can't deny the people he has formed associations with or done business deals with. His methods are on record, as is his lack of experience. He has already shown poor judgment in several areas which would negatively impact our faith in his ability to perform adequately. His proposed policies in some cases are shockingly un-American in nature and detrimental to our current situation. And some of the things he has done reveal character traits which would surprise and disappoint most of his current supporters.

All the McCain camp has to do is expose these facts to the public.

And because these flaws already exist and can't be erased, that means the race has already been decided.

McCain wins by a landslide.

The Democrats and Liberals in the audience may now begin whining.

I know this is stunning news to you. But, just like in 2004, you will get over it.

Very humorous. How would I ever vote for McCain after the BS he has already pulled? You seem to think that Obama will mess up and all of the sudden I will want McCain. How does this happen? Hypnosis? McCain has already approved lying. It says so in his ad. I won't vote for someone who at first promises civility and then attacks everything from am mans love of the troops to his patriotism. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. And that scoundrel is John McCain.
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"The Election Has Already Been Decided"

Really?..good then there is no point in posting anti McCain/Obama material.Since the election has been "decided".. I will henceforth cease and deist from posting anything related to McCain/Obama until someone else feels the need to spin their wheels and post more anti McCain/Obama rhetoric..

It's over folks..

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It all depends on how and if the swing voters vote. If you get a significant amount of people who are unsatisfied with either candidate they will stay home or vote for a third party. And I'm thinking that strategy would definitely go in Obama's favor.
However if Regan Democrat and Ron Paul voters vote for McCain as well as if conservatives vote conservatively, then it goes to McCain. Still too early to tell. One good debate and one misspoken word could turn it in favor of either candidate.
Still too early to tell.
I loved reading your post because it's clear to me that you are representative of most of America.

As each issue is uncovered, at some point if you are fair, reasonable and responsible and if you want what's best for America, one or several of these revelations will make you stop and say to yourself, "Wait a minute. Do I really want to vote for someone like this???"

Just mark my words.

It's already been decided.

Obama is not ready.
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Very humorous. How would I ever vote for McCain after the BS he has already pulled? You seem to think that Obama will mess up and all of the sudden I will want McCain. How does this happen? Hypnosis? McCain has already approved lying. It says so in his ad. I won't vote for someone who at first promises civility and then attacks everything from am mans love of the troops to his patriotism. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. And that scoundrel is John McCain.
You really don't get it.

But that's ok.

You, and the rest of America, will.

The next 12 weeks will see Obama put on display and on the defensive and you will be shocked that you could have been so blind.
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"The Election Has Already Been Decided"

Really?..good then there is no point in posting anti McCain/Obama material.Since the election has been "decided".. I will henceforth cease and deist from posting anything related to McCain/Obama until someone else feels the need to spin their wheels and post more anti McCain/Obama rhetoric..

It's over folks..

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You really don't get it.

But that's ok.

You, and the rest of America, will.

The next 12 weeks will see Obama put on display and on the defensive and you will be shocked that you could have been so blind.
Thats right I don't get it. But you will. You think it will come down to Obama isn't ready. Wow what a revelation. You then assume that because you don't think he is ready that it should go to McCain. Because somehow you think he is ready. Ya know for many of us it isn't either or. For me I will vote Obama. If I don't vote Obama I will vote a 3rd party. McCain has already lost me. I wouldn't vote for McCain now if he were the only one running. A big part was the cheap attacks. I won't elect someone who doesn't respect me. And by producing ads that are a string of BS he has shown himself to be the worst kind of leader. The kind that wants it too much. So that any means is fair game. Why would I lower my standards and vote McCain again? Because Obama isn't a professional politician.

It almost makes me laugh. You want to vote for a guy who has been a pol all of his life. Who despite spending his career as a Washington Pol he has convinced you he isn't because he trashes it. Most of our Presidents have been in their 40's to 50's. McCain is the fluke. He is too old. Lincoln was 52. Teddy Roosevelt was 42. FDR 50. Kennedy 43. Clinton 46. US Grant 46. Obama is right in line. Now Presidents in their 70's. Nope. Sorry Grandpa. And then we could talk experience. How long was Lincoln in congress? Or Kennedy? So what is the experience you think you need? Someone who has been hanging around the status quo for decades? How old are you? Do you understand the issues? Could you be POTUS? I wouldn't want the job. But I am sure I understand enough abou my country and the world to do the job. And if you think that is funny then tell me what McCain knows that I don't. What is this "Experience" that you seem to approve of so much. The only thing that I can see is that he has been there a long time. So what. If being in Washington a long time is important. Then maybe we should find the longest serving Pol and give the job to them.

Fact is you would never vote Obama. You produced this thread with your imitation of Nastradamus. Making predictions based on you seeing the future. And isn't it convenient that the future looks just like you would like to see it. Duh!

So McCain has been there a long time so lets keep him there. Thats your advice. No thanks.

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Thats right I don't get it. But you will. You think it will come down to Obama isn't ready. Wow what a revelation. You then assume that because you don't think he is ready that it should go to McCain. Because somehow you think he is ready. Ya know for many of us it isn't either or. For me I will vote Obama. If I don't vote Obama I will vote a 3rd party. McCain has already lost me. I wouldn't vote for McCain now if he were the only one running. A big part was the cheap attacks. I won't elect someone who doesn't respect me. And by producing ads that are a string of BS he has shown himself to be the worst kind of leader. The kind that wants it too much. So that any means is fair game. Why would I lower my standards and vote McCain again? Because Obama isn't a professional politician.

It almost makes me laugh. You want to vote for a guy who has been a pol all of his life. Who despite spending his career as a Washington Pol he has convinced you he isn't because he trashes it. Most of our Presidents have been in their 40's to 50's. McCain is the fluke. He is too old. Lincoln was 52. Teddy Roosevelt was 42. FDR 50. Kennedy 43. Clinton 46. US Grant 46. Obama is right in line. Now Presidents in their 70's. Nope. Sorry Grandpa. And then we could talk experience. How long was Lincoln in congress? Or Kennedy? So what is the experience you think you need? Someone who has been hanging around the status quo for decades? How old are you? Do you understand the issues? Could you be POTUS? I wouldn't want the job. But I am sure I understand enough abou my country and the world to do the job. And if you think that is funny then tell me what McCain knows that I don't. What is this "Experience" that you seem to approve of so much. The only thing that I can see is that he has been there a long time. So what. If being in Washington a long time is important. Then maybe we should find the longest serving Pol and give the job to them.

Fact is you would never vote Obama. You produced this thread with your imitation of Nastradamus. Making predictions based on you seeing the future. And isn't it convenient that the future looks just like you would like to see it. Duh!

So McCain has been there a long time so lets keep him there. Thats your advice. No thanks.


You seem to have no idea what Obama is, has, has been, has done, is doing or is planning to do.

Or else you are feigning ignorance.

The media already knows. The information is out there. The McCain camp has people working on the campaign and as the next 12 weeks unfold you will see what I've been alluding to.

Here's a taste.

America will not elect a Communist or someone who openly and repeatedly lies about his past to avoid a negative public reaction or someone who has a collection of domestic and foreign terrorist or indicted felons from America and abroad or covert Islamist friends and associates.

America will not elect someone who advocates raising taxes in the middle of a recession.

America will not elect someone who advances the idea that big government knows better how to use American's money better than Americans do.

Americans will not elect someone who wants to give up some American sovereignty and $845 Billion to the corrupt UN in a globalist Communist scheme to finance a welfare giveaway to the world.

America will not elect a guy who wants to raise taxes and the minimum wage and put hundreds of thousands of small businesses, the economic engine of America, at risk.

America will not elect someone who is so egocentric and narcissist that he had to be persuaded to discontinue using his own fake Presidential seal with his name on it and who gave a US campaign speech in another country and thinks his image should adorn our money, someone who thinks he is God's gift to America and the world.

America will not feel comfortable with someone with only 146 days of Senate experience before announcing his bid for President.

America will not feel comfortable with someone who was wrong about bombing Pakistan, wrong about wanting to meet with all the world's leaders, wrong about the troop surge while we are still at war.

America will not feel comfortable with someone whose mentors and advisers have been bigots, Communists, crooks and America haters.

America will not feel comfortable with someone who tried to sneak the Communistic Global Poverty bill through the Senate.

If that's not enough, there will be more. But like I said, you'll have to watch for it over the next 12 weeks.
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You seem to have no idea what Obama is, has, has been, has done, is doing or is planning to do.

Or else you are feigning ignorance.

The media already knows. The information is out there. The McCain camp has people working on the campaign and as the next 12 weeks unfold you will see what I've been alluding to.

Here's a taste.

America will not elect a Communist or someone who openly and repeatedly lies about his past to avoid a negative public reaction or someone who has a collection of domestic and foreign terrorist or indicted felons from America and abroad or covert Islamist friends and associates.

America will not elect someone who advocates raising taxes in the middle of a recession.

America will not elect someone who advances the idea that big government knows better how to use American's money better than Americans do.

Americans will not elect someone who wants to give up some American sovereignty and $845 Billion to the corrupt UN in a globalist Communist scheme to finance a welfare giveaway to the world.

America will not elect a guy who wants to raise taxes and the minimum wage and put hundreds of thousands of small businesses, the economic engine of America, at risk.

America will not elect someone who is so egocentric and narcissist that he had to be persuaded to discontinue using his own fake Presidential seal with his name on it and who gave a US campaign speech in another country and thinks his image should adorn our money, someone who thinks he is God's gift to America and the world.

America will not feel comfortable with someone with only 146 days of Senate experience before announcing his bid for President.

America will not feel comfortable with someone who was wrong about bombing Pakistan, wrong about wanting to meet with all the world's leaders, wrong about the troop surge while we are still at war.

America will not feel comfortable with someone whose mentors and advisers have been bigots, Communists, crooks and America haters.

America will not feel comfortable with someone who tried to sneak the Communistic Global Poverty bill through the Senate.

If that's not enough, there will be more. But like I said, you'll have to watch for it over the next 12 weeks.
What I will watch for is cheap attacks. They will no doubt be coming. And the press is already on to it. Obama like Jackie Robinson has to walk carefully. It will be hard with a gauntlet of personal attacks on his patriotism and the like. I hope he makes it. He will have to be much better then average. Or else we will end up back in the hands of the lobby groups that support McCain.
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