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McCain is odd man out on 'time horizon'

By DAVID PAUL KUHN | 7/21/08 4:53 AM EST


It may not sway many voters, but on Friday, as Barack Obama embarked on an extended trip abroad intended in large part to relieve concerns about his commander in chief bona fides, the terms of debate on Iraq began a dramatic shift that appears to favor his candidacy.

President Bush, who’d been opposed to any timetable for removing American forces from Iraq, reached an agreement with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to set a “general time horizon” for a withdrawal.

“It’s a devastating blow to the McCain campaign — not just that Maliki moved to Obama’s position but that Bush did as well,” said Richard Holbrooke, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations for the Clinton administration.

Saturday, the shift continued when the German magazine Der Spiegel ran an interview with Maliki in which he called for U.S. troops to withdraw “as soon as possible, as far as we're concerned. U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right time frame for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes.”

(While a spokesperson for Maliki later claimed the prime minister’s comments "were misunderstood, mistranslated and not conveyed accurately,” Der Spiegel stood by its report and The New York Times late last night verified the translation’s accuracy.)

For the first time in the national security debate, Obama's advisers believe that McCain has been placed on the defensive, since his reluctance to support a "time horizon" now differs not only with the position of his Democratic opponent but also with those of the White House and the Iraqi prime minister.

Staffers for the McCain campaign emphasized the continued differences between Obama and the president, particularly that the White House has not agreed to a specific time frame.

Maliki's comments, though, have put McCain in a difficult position, in which his support for the surge and for a continued troop presence seems to defy the wishes of the democratically elected Iraqi government.

Shortly after the prime minister's interview appeared, Democrats began circulating a 2004 interview with McCain in which he responded to a question asking what he would do if "a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there" by saying, "If it was an elected government of Iraq ... I don't see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people."

McCain is odd man out on 'time horizon' - David Paul Kuhn - Politico.com

McCain thinks the surge will buy Iraq time for establishing a democracy in Iraq.Obama believes the surge will buy us time on our way out.As most Americans know all too well,democracies take time to flourish and support for the war is eroding away.
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Still anything can happen before November. I hope to be home to see debates.
I'm as tired of this race for the Whitehouse as if I had been the one traveling around the globe this week.
On with it. Let's vote tomorrow!
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The best thing McCain can do is defer to Maliki's judgment as it is Iraq's decision and they are a sovereign nation now. However, I think it would be in Iraq's best interest if we made at least some sincere effort at convincing them to accomplish the remaining 3 of the 18 benchmarks originally set.
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The best thing McCain can do is defer to Maliki's judgment as it is Iraq's decision and they are a sovereign nation now. However, I think it would be in Iraq's best interest if we made at least some sincere effort at convincing them to accomplish the remaining 3 of the 18 benchmarks originally set.
Maliki's judgement IS the same as Bush and McCain's, but the news spun it as if it was Obama's...

Here's Maliki's actual quote, which was editied out by Der Spiegle...It's something Bush and McCain have been saying all along...anbd something Obama has NEVER put into the equation...

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SPIEGEL: Would you hazard a prediction as to when most of the US troops will finally leave Iraq?

Maliki: As soon as possible, as far as we’re concerned. US presidential candidate Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months. Assuming that positive developments continue, this is about the same time period that corresponds to our wishes.
Notice the red?...

Now let's look at how Der Speigal wrote their quote (as per the original post of this thread)...

Quote:
SPIEGEL: Would you hazard a prediction as to when most of the US troops will finally leave Iraq?

Maliki: As soon as possible, as far as we’re concerned. US presidential candidate Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months. This is about the same time period that corresponds to our wishes.
Notice what missing?..."Assuming that positive developments continue"...

That was NEVER part of Obama's plan...In fact, If Obama got his way, there wouldn't even be any troops THERE for "positive developments" to continue...His bill had troops out by March, 2008...

Obama's plan was unconditional...Tail between the legs...No surge...no turnaround against Al Qaeda...No political acheivements...

US (and Iraq) loses...
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This is an interview with Obama from Nov. of last year. I thought it might be informative.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us...l?pagewanted=1
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