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Old 07-08-2008, 06:09 PM
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Take a look at this ad...


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On gas prices, John McCain's part of the problem. McCain and Bush support a drilling plan which won't produce a drop of oil for seven years. McCain will gives more tax breaks to big oil. He's voted with Bush 95% of the time.
Does this sound negative to you?...It sure as heck does to me...

Calling your opponent "part of the problem" doesn't sound too positive...he could've made that commercial to prop himself up (which he does in the latter half), but in the first half he decided to talk about his opponent instead...

Personally, this kind of stuff is the norm...and doesn't mean that much in my eyes...No big deal...

But what IS at issue here is simple...

This is the very kind of thing the Obamessiah has publicly said he would NOT do...

Don't believe me?...Then let's hear it from Obama himself...


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Now there's one last choice and that is...do we want to have the same old attack politics that we've become accustomed to?...the same slash and burn politics?

One of the things I'm proud of at the beginning of this campaign I said; this is a different time...This is an extraordinary time. We gotta run a different kind of campaign. So we're not gonna go around doing negative ads. We're gonna keep it positive. We're gonna talk about the issues.
So he's NOT gonna go around doing negative ads...He's gonna keep it positive...

And then attacks his opponant by calling him part of the problem...

I guess his rules only apply when he feels like it...
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:18 PM
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That is NOT a negative ad as political ads are concerned.

Of COURSE he discusses the other opponent. That's what campaigning is about.

He talks about the issue and his opponent. But he hasn't called him names or raised ad hominem attacks on his character.

There is a huge difference.

It's still politics - and nobody is suggesting it should be a tea party.

You seem to be far too ready to attack Obama for any and every thing you can distort into a negative.
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It's still politics - and nobody is suggesting it should be a tea party.
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We gotta run a different kind of campaign. So we're not gonna go around doing negative ads. We're gonna keep it positive.
What an attitude...

"We're not gonna go negative, but I will tell YOU what you should consider negative...How DARE you decide for yourself!"...
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like I said

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You seem to be far too ready to attack Obama for any and every thing you can distort into a negative.
goes right to my comments about gordon's patriotic comments on the fourth. You won't let Obama say anything without trying to pick it apart and find a way to twist and distort what he says.

It's a CAMPAIGN. He made no character assassinations nor said anything that wasn't true both in fact and spirit. It was not a negative ad.
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You seem to be far too ready to attack Obama for any and every thing you can distort into a negative.
From the ad...

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John McCain's part of the problem
Please explain to me how that's NOT negative, and then show me how I distorted it...
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From the ad...

Please explain to me how that's NOT negative, and then show me how I distorted it...
He told the truth....would you rather him lie, so you could accuse him of yet, more "flip-flopping"?
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From the ad...

Please explain to me how that's NOT negative, and then show me how I distorted it...

I think you're confused about what a 'negative ad' is in the political world. Everything is in context. You take it OUT of that context, and you distort what is intended.

A negative political ad is one in which a candidate attacks another on a PERSONAL level - attacking character and personal reputation.

Of course political candidates attack POLITICAL ideologies and history of opponents. That is the entire point of a campaign - to show that the other one isn't as good a POLITICAL candidate.

Again - you're really struggling to find a problem with this ad where none exists. You don't have to BELIEVE in the ad - but to condemn it as a negative political ad is distortion and untrue.
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I think you're confused about what a 'negative ad' is in the political world. Everything is in context. You take it OUT of that context, and you distort what is intended.

A negative political ad is one in which a candidate attacks another on a PERSONAL level - attacking character and personal reputation.

Of course political candidates attack POLITICAL ideologies and history of opponents. That is the entire point of a campaign - to show that the other one isn't as good a POLITICAL candidate.

Again - you're really struggling to find a problem with this ad where none exists. You don't have to BELIEVE in the ad - but to condemn it as a negative political ad is distortion and untrue.
So you wouldn't have a problem with Sen. McCain running an ad disucussing that issue of Sen. Obama's utter lack of qualification for POTUS? How about an ad showing his "most liberal" voting record? How about showing him as an agent of the Democratic Party Machine? All are 100% true, so would you have a problem with this kind of political ad?
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So you wouldn't have a problem with Sen. McCain running an ad disucussing that issue of Sen. Obama's utter lack of qualification for POTUS? How about an ad showing his "most liberal" voting record? How about showing him as an agent of the Democratic Party Machine? All are 100% true, so would you have a problem with this kind of political ad?
I wouldn't...because that is all he's being saying, "publicly"...an ad is just going to reinforce his rhetoric.
Obama is obliged to reciprocate, and he will...trust it.
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So you wouldn't have a problem with Sen. McCain running an ad disucussing that issue of Sen. Obama's utter lack of qualification for POTUS?

Not at all. Though I doubt he would, as it would invite a reciprocation.

How about an ad showing his "most liberal" voting record?

Of course not. Liberal is not an epithet. There are many Democrats who are sick of Democrats trying to turn away from the liberal label because the right wing has managed to turn it into a negative word. Yes, he's liberal. And we're sick to death of right wing jingoism and fascist nationalism.

How about showing him as an agent of the Democratic Party Machine?

ROFLMAO I think it would be okay for McCain to point out that the Democratic candidate is a loyal Democrat. LOL

All are 100% true, so would you have a problem with this kind of political ad?
As I said before, if you can't discern between political campaigning and character assassination, I can't discuss the issue with you.
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