Obama Suggests GOP Will Use Race to Scare Voters - Page 6

bossfan · #51 (**permalink**) 06-25-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Here's what I stated previously:

I've already received numerous email forwards warning me that Obama is a Muslim. Rush and other political entertainment hosts have pointedly drawn out the pronunciation of Barak Hussein Obama's middle name ; Wright's sermons not only give fuel to the Republican fires, they serve to make people of color go "hell yes!" "You know it! "
Are these people working for the respective campaigns?
Well they're sure not hurting the effort to put race at the forefront of voters' minds.

So am I right in interpreting what you are saying to mean that anybody who makes a comment about Obama's race is part of McCain's campaign or the GOP in your eyes?

I believe that for the truth to be able to set us free about this issue, we need to be able to make certain distinctions. Otherwise it's no different than telling your daughter on her wedding day that her brand new husband is going to cheat on her because, well.....even to this day men still have extramarital affairs.

You know, there is a long history of violence associated with much of racism, too. Should we just start making arrests now...truth being what it is and all?

saltwn · #52 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bossfan

So am I right in interpreting what you are saying to mean that anybody who makes a comment about Obama's race is part of McCain's campaign or the GOP in your eyes?

I believe that for the truth to be able to set us free about this issue, we need to be able to make certain distinctions. Otherwise it's no different than telling your daughter on her wedding day that her brand new husband is going to cheat on her because, well.....even to this day men still have extramarital affairs.

You know, there is a long history of violence associated with much of racism, too. Should we just start making arrests now...truth being what it is and all?

I don't know what you are getting at. All I said was racial prejudice is still around
and I hope I conveyed my opinion that politicians and/or their minions will try everything short of murder to win. Some would argue even that has been tried in the past. Obama saying [paraphrasing] "now they will come with the racial attacks" is in and of itself a race baiting maneuver.
Your analogy about marriage doesn't sync with what I'm talking about. What I am talking about is:
Regan did it
Clinton (H) did it
McCain does it
Obama does it.
Themselves or through groups that are out to get them elected. Groups and insinuations they are well aware of.
Does that make it right? No. But that is the way it is in American Politics.

cnredd · #53 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

I don't know what you are getting at. All I said was racial prejudice is still around

You got that right...

Just look at what the GOP did yesterday...

YouTube - Sean "Diddy" Combs chanting "OBAMA OR...

Another example of the dreaded "Republican scare tactics" Obama keeps yapping about...

saltwn · #54 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

You got that right...

Just look at what the GOP did yesterday...

Another example of the dreaded "Republican scare tactics" Obama keeps yapping about...

Exactly my point.

I never said Obama didn't do it. I never said Republicans didn't either. And it's going to get a lot nastier. These two politicians may not have the taste for it but their respective
cohorts certainly do.

cnredd · #55 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Exactly my point.

I never said Obama didn't do it. I never said Republicans didn't either. And it's going to get a lot nastier. These two politicians may not have the taste for it but their respective
cohorts certainly do.

Believe me...

I agree 100% more...MORE if possible...

But what I DO have a problem with is the disingenuous rhetoric from Obama on injecting race into the election...

Obama braces for race-based ads

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WASHINGTON - A presidential candidate who's named Hussein and wears a turban? A building that's called the White House but run by a black guy?

Those political images and ideas already have found their way onto TV airwaves and campaign buttons, possible harbingers of racially tinged messages in a general election involving the first black candidate to head a major party's ticket.

Though the election is more than four months away, the campaigns of Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are shaping their strategies for dealing with such appeals.

The Obama campaign vows to fight back fiercely and fast, not repeating John Kerry's mistake of waiting to respond to the 2004 "Swift Boat" ads that Democrats saw as a smear of his military record. McCain's camp is alert for attacks on its man, too.

The McCain campaign promises to condemn any race-based political appeals. But it also insists it won't stand still for false charges of racism or for allegations merely aimed at preventing criticism of Obama on legitimate issues.

"Every word will be twisted to make it about race," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a McCain friend and adviser. When he and others confront Obama on issues such as national security and the economy, Graham said, it will have "nothing to do with him being an African-American."

Obama adviser David Axelrod said the Democrat's campaign will be on high alert for code words or innuendo meant to play on voters' racial sentiments. "We're going to be aggressive about pushing back on anything that we feel is inappropriate or misleading," he said.

It's not enough for McCain to say he cannot control independent groups airing racially charged ads on his behalf, Axelrod said, noting that the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" was independent of President Bush's campaign.

"We've seen this movie before," he said. "And we're not going to be passive in the face of those kinds of tactics."

So what Obama's campaign is saying is that they'll be more than happy to immediately attack McCain for anyone mentioning race...Even if he has nothing to do with it...

But won't say a damn word when his supporters inject race...Even if he has nothing to do with it...

It's McCain's fault...but NEVER his...

saltwn · #56 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Believe me...

I agree 100% more...MORE if possible...

But what I DO have a problem with is the disingenuous rhetoric from Obama on injecting race into the election...

Obama braces for race-based ads

So what Obama's campaign is saying is that they'll be more than happy to immediately attack McCain for anyone mentioning race...Even if he has nothing to do with it...

But won't say a damn word when his supporters inject race...Even if he has nothing to do with it...

It's McCain's fault...but NEVER his...

This particular tactic is meant to do two things. Maybe rolled into one. First and foremost is to electrify their constituency so that they will get out and vote in November/talk about this to their friends so their friends will register to vote to avoid this perceived miscarriage of freedom.
And Obamateers don't want the dust to settle for a minute. Because they know a nation at war and with great economic problems is likely to go with experience.

bossfan · #57 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 08:06 PM

saltwn:

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All I said was racial prejudice is still around
and I hope I conveyed my opinion that politicians and/or their minions will try everything short of murder to win.

I'll let you in on something else that is still around, saltwn, and has been around since even before the founding of our great country: people....even in the political realm, who not only despised racial prejudice bought also fought strongly against it. Racism has existed in every civilization throughout the history of the world. It is the Western world, including America, that fought to end it. Ever hear of John Quincy Adams? Read up on him and then tell me about "the truth shall set you free".

To date, McCain has been completely removed from racism in his campaign. So far, Obama is the first to make race an issue by making the suggestion he did. That's truth....

saltwn · #58 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bossfan

saltwn:

I'll let you in on something else that is still around, saltwn, and has been around since even before the founding of our great country: people....even in the political realm, who not only despised racial prejudice bought also fought strongly against it. Racism has existed in every civilization throughout the history of the world. It is the Western world, including America, that fought to end it. Ever hear of John Quincy Adams? Read up on him and then tell me about "the truth shall set you free".

To date, McCain has been completely removed from racism in his campaign. So far, Obama is the first to make race an issue by making the suggestion he did. That's truth....

I didn't save the e mail that I got, but here's a copy of what was going around a few months ago in a reprint at Snopes snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?

Go ahead and claim calling him a Muslim and making a point of forwarding it through e mails isn't about race. It degrades Muslims to infer that they are all terrorists and it degrades Obama as being linked to the "sordid" group.

saltwn · #59 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 08:23 PM

And besides, bossfan, didn't you learn as I did after the Bush/Gore election, that not only were the other guys crooks, but your guy was too?

bossfan · #60 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

I didn't save the e mail that I got, but here's a copy of what was going around a few months ago in a reprint at Snopes snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?

Go ahead and claim calling him a Muslim and making a point of forwarding it through e mails isn't about race. It degrades Muslims to infer that they are all terrorists and it degrades Obama as being linked to the "sordid" group.

Where is the source of those emails from, saltwn? Are you going to attribute everything you receive in the mail as being from McCain's campaign or the GOP? That is simply not true, and you are wrong if you think that way about it.

If truth is at all important to you, then please understand that truth is pin-prick precise and exacting. It is not some generality such as "all men are pigs" or "blondes are dumb".

If you are going to attribute everything you receive in emails that is disparaging of Obama as being from McCain's campaign or the GOP, then you do not know how to distinguish between what is and what is not true.

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