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Well, since the right and the Repubs have taken the gloves off, time to get down with the get down...don't be disingenuous, and point fingers at Obama....the right got dirty first...starting with the Wright sermons


I don't drink kool aid...don't you know that McCain doesn't have to do his own "dirty work"...there are plenty people in the RNC, on Fox News, and his handlers that can throw the slop out there "for him". McCain is nothing short of a snake oil salesman...an old one.

In case you didn't know...that didn't have anything to do with politics...that was religion. And as we all know, there is separation of church and state...or isn't there? In answer to your question.....NO



He made a half-hearted pledge to his opponent, John McCain...not to the American people...he broke it. Big deal. Guess John McCain and his team will have to deal with the fallout. Not many people (except those willing to bash him on any and everything) see it as a critical mass. He's trying to win an election. I don't see you criticizing the right for going after him unfairly and smearing him at every opportunity.
Merits? You need to investigate that on your own, much like you would for any informed vote. I don't work for you. Get off your ass and find out.
Don't like him? Don't vote for him...won't make a difference...yours is only one vote.
And stop relying on Right wing propaganda....or not...your brand is the one that is broken with the American public...at least, moreso than mine.

8 years of trying to fix the mess Bush/Cheney and the Republican Congress got us in, that's what.

You mean the right pointed out a legitimate concern over Obama's ties to a militant, racist, radical pastor and this black liberation theology that is so far off the mainstream as to be, not just apalling, but frightening? Oh that's right...to raise concerns over the Great Hope is tantamount to blasphemy as far as the Obamaheads are concerned.

I would like to see you provide some proof that this is how McCain's campaign is run. Links, articles, facts...you know, anything except your rabid opining.

No you are being obtuse. The entire sermon that issue was taken issue with was politically charged. The sermon of Pfleger's that issue was taken with was a political attack on Clinton. Yeah, so your argument of separation of Church and State is a bull**** argument and we all know it. Come back when you want to show a little honesty on the issue.

Glad to know he gives his word "half-heartedly".

And that is exactly what's wrong with Obama, his supporters, and the democratic party. It is morally and ethically bankrupt and has been for some time.

I never said it was a "critical mass". But it was one more point of contention with an already dishonest and classless politician. But hey, that's democrats so why act surprised when the snake bites?

I haven't seen smears. I've seen legitimate points of interest raised over Obama's questionable ties and his lack of integrity. Take his poor character up with him, not me.

So, the translation is...

"Derrrr, I don't really know what his merits are. I just know he talks purrrrrty. Dee dee dee!"


Okay, keep foolin' yourself there brother. It's obvious by exchanging two posts with you that you are an uninformed, hysterical member of the Obama mob and you have no clue what you are voting for except that there is a little "D" beside his name. I asked you pointed questions to get some insight as to why you defend him and you couldn't even give me one of his, supposedly, many merits. Instead, you chose to play the "educate yourself" game as if that were even the issue here.

You are portraying yourself as an idiot. You are coming off classless. It makes perfect sense that you root for Obama.

IP did a fine job of setting you clear (attempting to, I should say...doubtful he'd ever succeed ), but I'd like to point out the falsehood of this line...

As I've written previously, Obama answered the question about public financing in NOVEMBER 2007...

This was long before John McCain was a sparkle in the Republican primary's eye...Also long before Obama was nominated himself (7 months later)...

It's an insult to the forum members' intelligence for you to make us think this was simply a "half-hearted pledge" to John McCain...

See the part where it says "major opponents"?...

Not only did Obama answer the question with a VERY CLEAR "Yes", but he did so with no candidate in particular in the general election campaign...

So he was ADMITTING he was for public campaign funding nomatter who his opponent(s) would be...Obviously, no one knew who it would be at the time...

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As it stands right now, there is no free TV or radio time. Also, special interest's influence is actually greater when candidates take public financing. Instead of the candidates being held accountable for the money that they spend, anonymous groups can, and will, say anything and the candidate can just shrug their shoulders and say, "I can't stop them (wink, wink)." McCain/Feingold is a failure in this regard.

You're talking about 527s, which are separate from public financing...

They'll show up whether or not a candidate chooses to accept public campaign finance or going by donations....They're private and are not supported by the campaigns (That's why they have that rule where the candidate says "I'm *candidate's name* and I endorse this message"...If it doesn't say that, it's a 527)...

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Excuse me, but if you think that my commentary could possibly insult members of the forum's intelligence, then they weren't that intelligent to begin with (putting words in my mouth)....

Try this one on:

Barack Obama Forgoes Public Funding to Combat 527’s Wake Up America
Obama bypasses public money — 1st since Watergate - Yahoo! News
"Last year, Obama filled out a questionnaire where he vowed to "aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election." But since clinching the Democratic nomination earlier this month, Obama has not broached the subject with McCain. The only discussion occurred about two weeks ago between Obama's and McCain's lawyers,

Obama lawyer Robert Bauer said he discussed the public financing issue for 45 minutes on June 6 with McCain counsel Trevor Potter. In interviews and e-mails, both Bauer and Potter agree that Bauer raised concerns about McCain having a head start because he had secured the nomination in early March and Obama did not until June 3. Potter said he told Bauer that given Obama's fundraising "I was sure there would be no McCain advantage by the end of the summer."

That meeting, Potter said, "was not part of any negotiation" on public financing.

"There was no aggressive pursuit of negotiations with the McCain campaign, there was no pursuit, period, of negotiations with the McCain campaign," Potter added later in a conference call with reporters.

At a breakfast with reporters Thursday, Bauer said that after his meeting with Potter, "It became clear to me, and I reported to the campaign, that there really wasn't a basis for further discussion."

Several campaign finance watchdog groups voiced dismay at Obama's decision, with Democracy 21 President Fred Wertheimer noting that the conditions Obama had initially set for accepting public funds had been met.

Sen. Russ Feingold, a Wisconsin Democrat who has worked with McCain on campaign finance laws in the past, praised Obama for his support of current campaign finance legislation, but added: "This decision was a mistake."

Obama raked in more than $265 million as of the end of April. Of that, nearly $10 million was for the general election, reserved for spending after the party's national convention in August. McCain had raised nearly $115 million by the end of May, eligible for spending before the convention.

McCain filed his May fundraising report Thursday with the Federal Election Commission, showing he raised $21 million during the month and started June with $31.5 million cash on hand. McCain had announced those numbers earlier this month. He spent a total of $11.7 million in May.

On the other hand, Obama's clear financial advantage over McCain is offset in part by the resources of the Republican National Committee, which has far more money in the bank than the Democratic National Committee. Both national parties can spend money on behalf of the presidential candidates.

Obama said McCain and the Republican National Committee are fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.

"And we've already seen that he's not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations," Obama said.

Despite that claim, few Republican-leaning groups have weighed into the presidential contest so far. In fact, Obama allies such as MoveOn.org are the ones that have been spending money on advertising against McCain.

McCain and Obama both declined public financing in the primary contests, thus avoiding the spending limits that come with the money. McCain had initially applied for the money, however, and has been in a dispute with the Federal Election Commission over whether he needed its approval to decline the funds. The FEC insists that he does, but has not had a quorum to act because four of its six seats have been vacant pending Senate confirmation of presidential nominees. McCain lawyers have disputed the need for FEC approval."

Stop being so melodramatic. Word.

Uninformed? Hysterical? Obama mob? Little "D"? Idiot? Classless?
You don't know me...don't pretend to...
I don't know you...and from your commentary...I want to keep it that way.
Why don't you sing the praises of the other guy, because your ignorance about Obama is bordering on "volumes".
I'm sure your pathological distaste for Obama is probably more about "fear of a black hat", more than anything else....You told more about yourself, than have I...I'd retire, were I you. LOL.

I'm for Obama because he does inspire hope....much like John F. Kennedy did...which is probably why he is likened to him...his daughter is a supporter, and now a part of his staff, which speaks certain volumes.

So come on, Sparky...give us these "merits" Obama seems to have.

And obviously, you know me even less than you know your boy, Obama. I was a staunch defender of Obama in the beginning and my record here on this forum shows it. So take your histrionic little tirades to the less informed; you would fit in quite well.

pwned.

Your name says it all.....you can't spell.
You see, I'm not trying to convert anybody....you, obviously "are". Good Luck.
Not too many takers, from what I see. If you can be so easily dissuaded, then so much for your principles....Sparky.

Yes, but special interests are only going to spend a finite amount of money. I would rather they give it to McCain where it reflects on him instead of a bunch of "Obama is a secret muslim" ads that he only gets an upside from with no negative.