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I have never flown a flag in front of my home. I admire other people's flags, though.
One thing is if a business owner flies one of those enormous U.S. flags, you might use it as a landmark to find your turn in traffic!

In Madison, Minnesota where virtually all the appropriate aged adult males were in Iraq (along with two other counties' men and women), there was a neat display in a vacant lot. The town and their Vet and Legion members had placed a standard sized flag on a pole for each and every person deployed. Some families had two members in the National Guard or Army currently deployed.

Being female, I like any excuse to spiff up an outfit with a brooch or something.
So along with Halloween pins, Christmas pins and "I voted" stickers, I usually wear a ribbon or metal pin for the Fourth of July.
But, I'm a "pin person". I like to wear them.
I stand up and place my hand over my heart during the national anthem and such because that is what my parents taught me was respectful. I cannot feature in my mind any circumstances under which I would burn an American flag. And because of that respect I have for the ideals of democracy, I would defend your right to burn the American flag.
I volunteered at the U.S.O. during the Vietnam war. I was one of the few young volunteers in my community. I didn't know at the time whether the war was just or not, but I knew the soldiers were scared to die, but many of them went anyway. Some of them shyly admitted they had actually not even been drafted but had quit college to join.
So I guess I can understand a person who does not feel the need to wear his patriotism on his shirt sleeve.
I want my President to protect and defend this nation. And admittedly I have other criteria that I won't get into on this thread. Whether or not he flies or wears a flag and whether or not he stands up during the anthem or sits quietly and writes a grocery list, makes no difference to me.
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He is absolutely correct and this is why I never wear a pin. Barack however has made exceptions to that rule one of course being a vet giving him the pin. If a vet gives it to him he wears it. If a vet were to offer me a pin I would thank him/her for their service and respectfully decline. I don't need a flag to be proud. The pin is a crutch for those who cannot demonstrate pride without it, a problem Obama doesn't have.
Thank you. If your patriotic pride is not found in quiet, reverent contemplation of gratitude for freedom and the appreciation of the sacrifice of others, then the wearing of a flag pin seems a gaudy public display and a quest for attention.
Some people will find anything worth "demonizing" in an attempt to further a political agenda. Trivial and petty, IMHO.
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It's not just about the flag pin, but much more. But if that's what you think, then so be it. I look at it differently. It's about showing respect for the flag. How do you think Obama feels about his buddy Bill Ayers stepping on the flag? Does Obama actually give a shit? I doubt it.

I don't care if he care what Ayers does. I'm more concerned with what Obama thinks and does than people he knows but aren't close to him.
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I don't care if he care what Ayers does. I'm more concerned with what Obama thinks and does than people he knows but aren't close to him.
Hell, if you told me that the flag represents the present administration, and its' policies, I'd f'ing stand on the damn flag....jump up and down on it , to boot.
Where's a flag at?

Now, if you tell me the flag represents all that is right with America...the opportunity, and the camaraderie, and the neighbor helping neighbor in times of trouble, the belief in our determination to do right by all people, and the sacrifice made by those who believed those things...then I'd stand at attention, with my hand over my heart, and ask God to bless it. I ain't crazy.
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According to Islam. If the father is a Muslim the child IS also.
Notice he had to say that it was the "values of his parents that grew up in Kansas". He had to phrase it like that because he grew up first in Hawaii and then in Indonesia.
Don't you wonder and worry about who is "behind" this "empty suit" that talks so smooth and never answers questions. I for one have been appalled at the "type" of people he has been PROVEN to associate with not to mention that he has been successful in "Chicago politics" the one place that EVERYONE agrees is the MOST corrupt of all American political regions.
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According to Islam. If the father is a Muslim the child IS also. So? This is America.I for one have been appalled at the "type" of people he has been PROVEN to associate with Like who? he has been successful in "Chicago politics" the one place that EVERYONE agrees is the MOST corrupt . Agreed.
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According to Islam. If the father is a Muslim the child IS also.
Notice he had to say that it was the "values of his parents that grew up in Kansas". He had to phrase it like that because he grew up first in Hawaii and then in Indonesia.
Don't you wonder and worry about who is "behind" this "empty suit" that talks so smooth and never answers questions. I for one have been appalled at the "type" of people he has been PROVEN to associate with not to mention that he has been successful in "Chicago politics" the one place that EVERYONE agrees is the MOST corrupt of all American political regions.
Right. And everyone from Senate colleagues, to Caroline Kennedy, to most of the black community are so wickedly stupid that in order to make history, they'd support him, come hell or high water......I'm so sure that you'd better not say that to any Chicagoan I know....at least, not where they can hear it.
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I agree that this is America and I am not attempting to denigrate Obama for his "religion" whatever it may be. It is the way that he "defends" himself from ANY Muslim connotations that shows me what he truly believes and to me it is that he has NO religion and is only out for himself and tries to portray himself as a messiah.
Associates.......Rev. Wright(promulgator of racism), Bill Ayers (admitted terrorist), Resco(spelling) convicted briber(lobbyist convicted of bribery and other crimes.
Google Obama associates.......... believe only half of what you read it will be enough.

I am actively trying to determine WHO or WHAT is behind him as the man is so obviously an "empty suit" that it scares me.
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I agree that this is America and I am not attempting to denigrate Obama for his "religion" whatever it may be. It is the way that he "defends" himself from ANY Muslim connotations that shows me what he truly believes and to me it is that he has NO religion and is only out for himself and tries to portray himself as a messiah.
Associates.......Rev. Wright(promulgator of racism), Bill Ayers (admitted terrorist), Resco(spelling) convicted briber(lobbyist convicted of bribery and other crimes.
Google Obama associates.......... believe only half of what you read it will be enough.

I am actively trying to determine WHO or WHAT is behind him as the man is so obviously an "empty suit" that it scares me.

Well, I suggest that he is decisively less scarier than Bush/Cheney....and talk about "their" associates....wasn't Bush caught holding hands with the King of Saudi Arabia (and didn't his family members get a first class airplane out of the US on 9/11? Hmmm.. Wasn't that the country where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from? Hmmm
Let's see...there's the ineptitude and carelessness of Rumsfeld..the incompetence of "Brownie"...the machiavellian shenanigans of Rove...how many of Bush/Cheneys associates have been indicted or accused of wrongdoing? Hundreds, if not thousands.

Listen at yourself: " I am not attempting to denigrate Obama for his "religion" whatever it may be." Your tone and implications suggest that you are.
He has already stated, numerous times, that he is a Christian. He attended a Christian church, that we know of, for 20 years. So what are you talking about or trying to say?

He has to distance himself or walk on eggshells concerning Muslims and the Islamic faith, precisely for the reason that he has been accused of being Muslim...just because he has an African-sounding name. How paranoid are people who cannot comprehend the obvious?
Nope, if it ain't "white bread", must be suspect.

"Out for himself"? Messiah? What kool aid have you been drinking?
Because he is charismatic, and can preach, in the vein of MLK, he's viewed as "a messiah"? He represents change from the old guard...the status quo....tired and flavorless, and in need of overhaul. Don't hate, rather, appreciate. Not since JFK, has anyone appeared on the scene so exciting and fresh, and full of promise.....who just happens to be half black and half white...but all you see is a black Muslim....who do you suppose has the problem? What about that? Why is he so scary? The fact that he is a black man...and black men are stereotypically seen as "scary, unpredictable, and good-for-nothing'???? He's not the one with issues. Check it.


Rev. Jeremiah Wright, before he became "enamored" with cameras and fame, in his sermons, spoke the God's honest truth...there was nothing "racist" in his commentary, though many have painted him as such. It ain't true...go back and read the transcripts. Stop listening to hearsay.
Rezko? Obama had minimal involvement with the man...and is he responsible for the actions of anyone other than himself?
Have you ever known any persons of dubious character? I know I have. And what? That's suppose to reflect on me negatively? It's called life. Live long enough, and you will run into every type of person. Everyone has skeletons.....even present company.

And please back up your allegation that Obama is an "empty suit".
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As if that is anything more than a piece of metal. True patriotism is lived, not worn. If you have to wear a cross to prove you are a Christian, you are a pretty weak Christian. If you have to wear a flag pin to prove you are an American, you are a pretty weak American.
I would agree with you except in the case of public officials. When a public official makes a patriotic gesture like wearing a flag pin or placing his hand over his hard in a formal salute to the nation, it reinforces the solidarity that official has with the people. Especially in a democracy, the elected official has an obligation to take every opportunity he can to reinforce his servitude to the people by making these formal supplications. To refuse to make such simple signs of solidarity with the people and the country is tantamount to an elitist arrogance that the people should not abide in their elected officials.
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