Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

The Presidency of this country is not a private matter, unlike how many wish it would be. People who represent this country should be respectful to it's flag and afford it the respect it deserves. There are many troops that have served and died in its honor...let's not forget what it stands for.

You're confusing issues....the presidency of this country, presently, is most certainly a "private matter", as to any inquiries into the inner workings of the Bush White House, the "executive privilege" card is always played...so, make no mistake.
People died for what the flag stands for, most certainly, however, there are times, such as these, where the flag stands for very little, as the will of the people is circumvented, and the powers that be do as they please or see fit...that is no democracy, that is tyranny....and in that case, the flag represents "nothing". As those men and women have died in vain.



In my previous post I linked two you tube clips. In one video clip Obama says he won't wear the flag pin...in the other video clip Obama puts one on a flag pin. You don't need much intelligence to figure that one out. Obama is the hypocrite with every excuse in the book. He will not be getting my vote.

As you must know by now, I consider you a charlatan, and I would hardly view any videos or read links you may post, based on your disingenuousness displayed on other forums...a cat hardly changes his "spots" overnight.
Talk about Obama 'til the cows come home, it won't amount to a "hill of beans"...he is the only option.

It's all part of the Obama Madness that has been spreading in this country under the umbrella of change. Yes, Obama offers change...the ability to change his mind when he chooses.

Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

Being a citizen and an American eligible to vote, I CAN question Obama or any of the candidates that I chose to question. That is what this forum is for. Poitical and social debate and discussion. I will not comment on the rest of your post, since it is the same rhetoric I have heard from you and others regarding the "right" to burn the American flag. But I will comment on this one part in the hopes that you will chill.

Why are you bringing my mother into this discussion? Is this a way that you feel you can provoke another into flaming?? It is immature and inappropriate. Stop with the trollish behavior and follow the rules. You need to stop with this personal bullshit that you have been spewing towards me this past week. Whatever issues you may have in your personal life you need to deal before you start posting here. I generally ignore your insults and your baiting and address the issue at hand, but you make that very difficult with your tangents and off topic posts.

Maybe what you need is a moderator to step in occasionally in order to remind you of what civility means in this forum. This way I won't have to respond to you again in this manner. I'd hate to be lumped into an "all inclusive" warning.

By the way, I served my country honorably so there is NO need to question about my patriotism or my loyalty.

Originally Posted by aaronssongs

As you must know by now, I consider you a charlatan, and I would hardly view any videos or read links you may post, based on your disingenuousness displayed on other forums...a cat hardly changes his "spots" overnight.

Originally Posted by aaronssongs

Such is the prerogative of the POTUS, isn't it?
Catch the fever...it's Obama Madness. I'm mad for it, aren't you?

Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

More personal comments about me? You are correct when you commented that "a cat hardly changes his "spots" overnight". Charlatan this and disingenuous that... your attempts to divert with ad hominem attacks are quite transparent to most by now. Are these the excuses for not watching Obama's video clips that show his hypocrisy regarding the wearing of the flag pin? You won't watch the clips, yet you will still comment on my post with some off topic comments? You really don't have much to comment about if you don't view the video clips or read the links provided. That is what most members here do. It leads to a more fulfilling discussion for all (hopefully).

I think it's important that people are aware of who you are, and what you are, as it applies to your constant smearing of Obama, your agenda-laden commentary, and your portrayal of yourself as "victim"....just an accurate picture to go along with the propaganda, is all.
Any clips you post, given your track record, known to me if to no other, are all negative in tone and imagery as far as Obama is concerned. Since I am an avid Obama supporter, why would I waste my time, viewing a biased view of him?
It doesn't even warrant a serious discussion, because it is steeped in "smear" as opposed to objective critique. Therefore, it is of no value.

As optimistic as you may be for your candidate, you must still remember that he is just that...a candidate.

Originally Posted by aaronssongs

Originally Posted by cnredd

That is for members to decide for themselves...

If it's obvious, they'll draw the same conclusion...

But members don't need other members to define them...

Originally Posted by aaronssongs

For someone to say this, without reservation, implies that one is so "tone deaf" as to not to see this as pure "racial bias".
How could he possibly love the country the way that you and Cnredd do? I mean!
Why, he'd have to be "white", wouldn't he...to be able to love America the way that you do? That way, he could feel the sense of "entitlement", and privilege, that stems from the blatant disregard for the Native Americans who were here first, whom the new European settlers massacred, decimated, enslaved, stole land from, tricked, and ghetto-ized onto reservations.
What a legacy...enslavement of Africans and the systematic destruction of Native American culture. How could anyone possibly love this country more than "you"?

Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

You obviously are missing the point. It's about honoring your country's flag, not disrespecting it. What you are giving are excuses for NOT honoring it.

Listen to Obama's excuse and it is very similiar to what you have commented:

YouTube - Obama Stops Wearing American Flag Pin

His rationale is that he won't wear a symbol of this great country because he doesn't need to in order to show his patriotism. And then again, him wearing the flag pin depends who he is pandering to in order to get some votes:

YouTube - Obama Wears America Flag Pin

How far will Obama's supporters blind loyalty take them? The writing is on the wall, yet they refuse to read it. Seems like they suffer from PBSD.

Originally Posted by dabateman

He is absolutely correct and this is why I never wear a pin. Barack however has made exceptions to that rule one of course being a vet giving him the pin. If a vet gives it to him he wears it. If a vet were to offer me a pin I would thank him/her for their service and respectfully decline. I don't need a flag to be proud. The pin is a crutch for those who cannot demonstrate pride without it, a problem Obama doesn't have.