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I think Obama's lack of military service is a big stumbling block for some voters in the present climate of war. And he knows it. Yes he is trying to make a connection here. And yes if that was his (and his advisers) intention, then he should have used proper terms and made sure someone did a little research on the subject before he brought the matter up in a speech!
It does not bode well for a candidate who is seeking the highest office when we are at war with an elusive cut-throat enemy such as al-Qaeda.
What we woulda-coulda-shoulda done to prevent this war is not the point in our present time frame. Sensible people, whether they like Bush or not, are looking for decisiveness in a leader of the free world. Comments made by Clinton
or Obama in reference to a connection to the military only point to McCain's real service in war time. Both Democrats would do well to concentrate on their own positives.
They are both dropping the ball- and if they keep this up- guess who will stroll onto the court, Jordenesque style, and put it in the basket?
I think that everyone is reading a little too much into all of this.

One thing that I remember from public speaking class was that a point sticks better if the speaker illustrates using anecdotes from real life experiences or about real people.

The grandfather story was told to illustrate Obama's belief in the need for and benefit to society as a whole of educational benefits for military veterans.

The (great) uncle story was told to illustrate his belief that returning veterans need to be screened for mental health problems and provided with the appropriate mental health care when needed.

But in picking at nits and over analyzing the speech, both points have been lost or ignored.
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I think that everyone is reading a little too much into all of this.

One thing that I remember from public speaking class was that a point sticks better if the speaker illustrates using anecdotes from real life experiences or about real people.

The grandfather story was told to illustrate Obama's belief in the need for and benefit to society as a whole of educational benefits for military veterans.

The (great) uncle story was told to illustrate his belief that returning veterans need to be screened for mental health problems and provided with the appropriate mental health care when needed.

But in picking at nits and over analyzing the speech, both points have been lost or ignored.
I don't believe in telling phony stories to veterans to prove a point...

But I guess that what he has to do considering he has no REAL stories to tell the veterans...Looks a lot worse going up to the troops with the truth and saying "I don't feel your pain."...
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I think that everyone is reading a little too much into all of this.

One thing that I remember from public speaking class was that a point sticks better if the speaker illustrates using anecdotes from real life experiences or about real people.

The grandfather story was told to illustrate Obama's belief in the need for and benefit to society as a whole of educational benefits for military veterans.

The (great) uncle story was told to illustrate his belief that returning veterans need to be screened for mental health problems and provided with the appropriate mental health care when needed.

But in picking at nits and over analyzing the speech, both points have been lost or ignored.
All that you say is true. But it benefits those who have already more-or-less decided there are too many things wrong with the country and we need to elect someone other than a member of the present party.
I think people choosing between Hillary and Obama will be impressed. And I know he is still running in the primaries, but the independent voter as well as the moderate Republican will remember this in the fall. One reason they'll remember it is the media. And they are going to be weighing their choices and checking off pros and cons. Hopefully for the Dems and of course for the country, we won't have any new or strengthened enemies to face before the general election. That would (in my view) throw a lot of undecided votes to McCain.
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I don't believe in telling phony stories to veterans to prove a point...

But I guess that what he has to do considering he has no REAL stories to tell the veterans...Looks a lot worse going up to the troops with the truth and saying "I don't feel your pain."...
I have yet to see any evidence that he told any phony stories.
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I have yet to see any evidence that he told any phony stories.
He said he remembers his grandfather talking to "fellow troops" about the liberation of Auschwitz and Teblinka during a speech about Iraq...

Both places his "fellow troops" could've never been to considering they were liberated by the Soviets...(I referenced it in this thread)...

How about this phony story (mentioned but not sourced...until now)...

From Obama's website...in a speech to Selma, Alabama referencing the famous 1965 march...

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This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.
So his mom and dad got together during the 1965 march and...and lo and behold, Barack Obama Jr. was born...That's his "connection" with Selma and why he says not to tell him he's "not coming home"...

Sounds nice...except for the fact that Obama was born in 1961...4 years before the march...

Kinda like when Hillary told people she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary who climbed Mount Everest...except for the fact that he did that AFTER she was born...

These stories may be MEANT to be inspiring, but there's nothing inspiring about getting to a positive end result through the use of lying...

If you believe people shouldn't NOT vote for someone because of lies (Like Obama being a Muslim), then you should equally believe no one should vote FOR that person because of lies...
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I have yet to see any evidence that he told any phony stories.
How do you reconcile that with the story he told about his parents and Selma?

Barack Obama lies about his father's story in his Selma speech | Redstate

"Barack Obama had an inspiring tale in Selma, to try and win one of the more irrelevant debates ever, about himself and the "black experience":

What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation. It worried folks in the White House who said, “You know, we're battling Communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world? If right here in our own country, John, we're not observing the ideals set fort in our Constitution, we might be accused of being hypocrites.” So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an air lift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.


But, let's actually look into the story here.

*Barack Obama, Sr. attended the East-West Center, set up in 1960 by the U. S. Congress and President Eisenhower.

*Selma happened in 1965, when Barack Obama was four, and after the death of John F. Kennedy.

*The 16th Street Baptist Church bombing happened in 1963, when Barack Obama was two.

*Barack Obama, Jr. was born in August 1961.

So basically Barack Obama was born in 1961 because his father got to go to school in 1960, due to a program approved of by "President Kennedy", in response to Selma, which happened in 1965.

In other words, Barack Obama has lied about his personal history, has probably lied about his personal history numerous times, and he is a serial panderer.

I don't doubt that Obama faced tough times while going to the wealthiest schools in Indonesia and Hawaii, and while attending Columbia and Harvard Law School. After all, attending leftist ivy league schools is something that we all can relate to, right?

If Barack Obama would lie about the reason why his father came to America, and what caused his parents to meet, it must make you ask "How many Lies has he told so far?"

Barack Harvard Obama is a paper lion. Plain and simple. The idiot media of Joe Biden-esque figures annoited Barack Obama because they just fawned over his Harvard-bred oration.

Once the media provides some scrutiny towards his record, expect someone to find lies in Obama's books, and in his background.

Without his story, Barack Obama is just an inexperienced socialist liberal and a lightweight in general."
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How do you reconcile that with the story he told about his parents and Selma?

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"Barack Obama had an inspiring tale in Selma, to try and win one of the more irrelevant debates ever, about himself and the "black experience":

What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation. It worried folks in the White House who said, €œYou know, we're battling Communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world? If right here in our own country, John, we're not observing the ideals set fort in our Constitution, we might be accused of being hypocrites.€ So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an air lift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.


But, let's actually look into the story here.

*Barack Obama, Sr. attended the East-West Center, set up in 1960 by the U. S. Congress and President Eisenhower.

*Selma happened in 1965, when Barack Obama was four, and after the death of John F. Kennedy.

*The 16th Street Baptist Church bombing happened in 1963, when Barack Obama was two.

*Barack Obama, Jr. was born in August 1961.

So basically Barack Obama was born in 1961 because his father got to go to school in 1960, due to a program approved of by "President Kennedy", in response to Selma, which happened in 1965.

In other words, Barack Obama has lied about his personal history, has probably lied about his personal history numerous times, and he is a serial panderer.

I don't doubt that Obama faced tough times while going to the wealthiest schools in Indonesia and Hawaii, and while attending Columbia and Harvard Law School. After all, attending leftist ivy league schools is something that we all can relate to, right?

If Barack Obama would lie about the reason why his father came to America, and what caused his parents to meet, it must make you ask "How many Lies has he told so far?"

Barack Harvard Obama is a paper lion. Plain and simple. The idiot media of Joe Biden-esque figures annoited Barack Obama because they just fawned over his Harvard-bred oration.

Once the media provides some scrutiny towards his record, expect someone to find lies in Obama's books, and in his background.

Without his story, Barack Obama is just an inexperienced socialist liberal and a lightweight in general."
So what you're saying here basically is that you cannot understand metaphor?
I get you. I went to college with a guy who just didn't get "the humanities".
He studied and got good scores on all the tests, but he did not understand why art and music and literature were covered in the same class and what that had to do with anything. He was a nice guy too. And he was an intelligent guy.
Some people just don't get metaphors. It's O.K.
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So what you're saying here basically is that you cannot understand metaphor?

It wasn't a metaphor. It was a statement of fact. One that was factually wrong.
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It wasn't a metaphor. It was a statement of fact. One that was factually wrong.
Well I wasn't ever planning to vote for Obama, but thanks to you I have learned more about his speeches than I did before. Was that your intention? To pull me into your Obama camp with this reverse psychology?
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Well I wasn't ever planning to vote for Obama, but thanks to you I have learned more about his speeches than I did before. Was that your intention? To pull me into your Obama camp with this reverse psychology?
Just the facts 'mam just the facts.

Obama seems to engage in embellishments about himself and his family in order to build up perceptions about himself. That's dangerous in a man who wants to be our leader.
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