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Old 05-19-2008, 04:09 PM
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Iran, Cuba, Venezuela...these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us and we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union"
So they're tiny and don't pose a serious threat like the big 'ol Evil Empire did...

What was that Mister Obama?...You'd like to change your message 180 degrees?...Well go right ahead!...

Obama counters McCain on 'appeasment'

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Obama repeatedly stressed the risk posed by Iran, as he suggested that danger has grown because of policies supported by McCain.

"Iran is a grave threat. It has an illicit nuclear program. It supports terrorism across the region and militias in Iraq. It threatens Israel's existence. It denies the Holocaust," he said. "The reason Iran is so much more powerful than it was a few years ago is because of the Bush-McCain policy of fighting in Iraq and refusing to pursue direct diplomacy with Iran. They're the ones who have not dealt with Iran wisely."
It's tiny!...It's not as serious a threat!!...

ummm...I mean "It's grave!!"...

Apparently, Obama doesn't understand the concept of a nation (Soviet Union) having the military might to wreck havoc yet ALSO was reasonable enough to talk without USING their weapons the second they got them...

Maybe Obama believes Iran would do the same thing and resist using nuclear weapons once they got them...
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I support "talking" to our adversaries,talking does not = appeasement. I'm thinking about supporting Obama but I do have a few concerns and that's true of all the candidates.That said...Obama needs to understand that these so called "tiny" nations can prime the well of a nuclear exchange.Anyone who shows a "cavalier" attitude towards a "theocracy" possessing nuclear weapons does not understand the gravity of the situation.
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I support "talking" to our adversaries,talking does not = appeasement. I'm thinking about supporting Obama but I do have a few concerns and that's true of all the candidates.That said...Obama needs to understand that these so called "tiny" nations can prime the well of a nuclear exchange.Anyone who shows a "cavalier" attitude towards a "theocracy" possessing nuclear weapons does not understand the gravity of the situation.
I hope we get this election on pretty soon. Before we pick these people to death so bad that half the country will be stuck on hate again.
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I support "talking" to our adversaries,talking does not = appeasement. I'm thinking about supporting Obama but I do have a few concerns and that's true of all the candidates.
IF I was in a good mood, I'd send an intern...IF...

But, as president, wouldn't give Iran my used tissue let alone an audience...You think that won't be plastered on every terrorist website as a victory for credibility?...You think I'm going to entertain someone with my time who has publicly wanted to take another country off of the map?...

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That said...Obama needs to understand that these so called "tiny" nations can prime the well of a nuclear exchange.Anyone who shows a "cavalier" attitude towards a "theocracy" possessing nuclear weapons does not understand the gravity of the situation.
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I hope we get this election on pretty soon. Before we pick these people to death so bad that half the country will be stuck on hate again.
Yup..let's get it ON..all of the candidates are qualified in one way or another.We need to pick the candidate with the "best" credentials.I want to give Obama a chance but I still have a few concerns.McSame is out as far as I'm concerned so I will not be voting for the GOP candidate.For me the decision is between Bob Barr and Obama. I will make my choice next week...
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Obama is a 46 year old man who is obviously very intelligent. Wasn't he like president of his class or something? I mean its funny to me that we are going to argue about Obama's understanding of the enemy. The idea that Obama is just going to trot off to Iran for a visit. Its not only a stupid political attack. But it insults my intelligence. It makes me feel that McCain thinks I'm so stupid that he can lie to my face about Obama's views.
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Obama is a 46 year old man who is obviously very intelligent. Wasn't he like president of his class or something? I mean its funny to me that we are going to argue about Obama's understanding of the enemy. The idea that Obama is just going to trot off to Iran for a visit. Its not only a stupid political attack. But it insults my intelligence. It makes me feel that McCain thinks I'm so stupid that he can lie to my face about Obama's views.
Intelligence does not equate to wisdom, and considering what Obama has actually said I think that he indeed would meet with Iran without preconditions. He seems to have enough hubris to think he can simply 'hope' his way into some magical new arrangement, when in reality there's very little to talk with Iran about. Are we to 'negotiate' their weapons out of Iraq? Are we to 'negotiate' their nuclear defiance away? Will negotiations change Ahjamenwhatever's rhetoric about Israels destruction?

What could we give them to make those things happen? What should we? Personally, I don't think Iran is willing to budge on any of those matters but if they are they know how to reach us.
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Intelligence does not equate to wisdom, and considering what Obama has actually said I think that he indeed would meet with Iran without preconditions. He seems to have enough hubris to think he can simply 'hope' his way into some magical new arrangement, when in reality there's very little to talk with Iran about. Are we to 'negotiate' their weapons out of Iraq? Are we to 'negotiate' their nuclear defiance away? Will negotiations change Ahjamenwhatever's rhetoric about Israels destruction?

What could we give them to make those things happen? What should we? Personally, I don't think Iran is willing to budge on any of those matters but if they are they know how to reach us.
That sounds like the Bush doctrine. You negotiate by telling the other side what to do. If they comply that is a successful negotiation.

This stuff sounds like high school BS. "I'm not talking to him because he doesn't like my friend". People better grow up and start acting like adults instead of snot faced kids. Some on the right like to stick their little chests out and act all tough. But its my son who has put his ass on the line. So if a president Obama wants to try talking before the blood starts flowing then its alright with me.

And your right. Intelligence does not equate to wisdom. Look at what the intelligent experienced people got us caught up in.

We have survived Bush so far. How bad could a smart person be.
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That sounds like the Bush doctrine. You negotiate by telling the other side what to do.
... the one that Europe also agrees with. Iran is violating international law and flaunting it in our faces. Current sanctions are ineffective.

The solution isn't to give in to them a little. They are already demonstrating that they're going to do what they want to do despite the sticks, so what makes you think carrots will change their behavior?

Finally, I agree with the 'send an intern' notion. If the intern comes back with anything Iran is willing to compromise on, send the intern's boss to hammer it out. Otherwise, don't belittle the office of the President of the United States by granting every maniacal third world terrorist state leader an audience. They're not interested in changing their ways and the only ones who gain anything are them ... their level of prestige and self-importance goes up in the Middle East because they forced the POTUS to a negotiating table over things that really aren't negotiable.
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... the one that Europe also agrees with. Iran is violating international law and flaunting it in our faces. Current sanctions are ineffective.

The solution isn't to give in to them a little. They are already demonstrating that they're going to do what they want to do despite the sticks, so what makes you think carrots will change their behavior?

Finally, I agree with the 'send an intern' notion. If the intern comes back with anything Iran is willing to compromise on, send the intern's boss to hammer it out. Otherwise, don't belittle the office of the President of the United States by granting every maniacal third world terrorist state leader an audience. They're not interested in changing their ways and the only ones who gain anything are them ... their level of prestige and self-importance goes up in the Middle East because they forced the POTUS to a negotiating table over things that really aren't negotiable.
You guys always want to talk about international law when it suits you. You did it with Iraq. Israel is not in compliance with international law. Do you know how many resolutions against Israel there are? Is rendition against international law? Hell ya! So lets get off the old international law argument.
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