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Old 05-23-2008, 06:53 PM
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Since it is the Democrat side that is complaining and trying to shape the debate and restrict what may be said about their candidate.................why would I have?
To attempt objectivity and fair play...


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We are talking the statements and beliefs they have that shape those policies. I find it amusing that you would declare that a taboo subject.
I find it boring that you would make such a statement.
Where did I say it was "taboo"?

You would do well to stop trying to misrepresent the positions of others, because I believe the STATEMENTS that actually SHAPE those policies are important.


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The whole thing about the sign posted in Obama's press office seems to have gone over your head. It was a direct refutation to those who say what she says in meaningless and should be ignored.
No.
I entirely got how you were attempting to take one simple sign and automatically assume a novel behind it.
ESPECIALLY since you have no other evidence to substantiate such a claim in the first place.

Can you point to ANY other evidence that shows that her comments are the policies of Obama?
No. Of course not.

You don't know what that sign really means. It could have been a joke. It could have been planted.
But you assume the conclusion which gives Obama the worst position, even though you have no substantiating evidence towards that extreme conclusion.


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I find it amusing watching their supporters attempt to dismiss out of hand the things they say in their speeches.
Funny.
What "speech" can you show where that quote was in?
Or are you again trying to misrepresent things?
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To attempt objectivity and fair play...
ROFL sorry bit I feel no obligation when I post something about one side to have to search to find some equivilency on the other in order to "attempt objectivity and fair play" but feel free to hold yourself to that standard.


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I find it boring that you would make such a statement.
Where did I say it was "taboo"?
Then what is your complaint?

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You would do well to stop trying to misrepresent the positions of others, because I believe the STATEMENTS that actually SHAPE those policies are important.
If you feel I have misrepresented you statement the best way to demonstrate that is to show where I did and explain where I went wrong.



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I entirely got how you were attempting to take one simple sign and automatically assume a novel behind it.
ESPECIALLY since you have no other evidence to substantiate such a claim in the first place.
It wasn't just me and it speaks for itself.

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Can you point to ANY other evidence that shows that her comments are the policies of Obama?
No. Of course not.
So let me get this straight you believe she is going out and speaking on his behalf but saying things that SHE supports and not HE even though she is speaking to get HIM elected based on HIS policies.

If she is saying things he doesn't support why doesn't he stop her?
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ROFL sorry bit I feel no obligation when I post something about one side to have to search to find some equivilency on the other in order to "attempt objectivity and fair play" but feel free to hold yourself to that standard.
Quit misrepresenting things.
This isn't about "searching to find some equivalency".
You PURPOSELY SPECIFIED "Democrat", when if you had left that word out it would have been more objective and realistic.

Instead, you reveal yourself as a partisan-based person, interested in attacking Obama.


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Then what is your complaint?
1) Predictably, no reply to my challenge.
2) Why do I find that you have to have things repeatedly re-explained to you?
Go back, re-read what I ACTUALLY said, and then go from there...


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If you feel I have misrepresented you statement the best way to demonstrate that is to show where I did and explain where I went wrong.
You claimed: "We are talking the statements and beliefs they have that shape those policies. I find it amusing that you would declare that a taboo subject."

I don't recall ever saying that.
I don't understand what you read that could make you think such a thing.
I have already explained "where" you misrepresented me. In making that false claim.

In explaining WHERE you went wrong, that's kind of difficult when you refuse to show ME where you went wrong.
Cause I have no idea (beyond you just saying things that are convenient for you, cause you may be too lazy to actually address the real position) where you went wrong.

So again: Where did I say it was "taboo"?


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It wasn't just me and it speaks for itself.
1) Just because you have company in your assumption doesn't make you right.
Great Britain was wrong about its treatment of the American colonies, but we sure straightened them out...

2) Context is everything.
And I have no doubt that you would claim "it speaks for itself" when there is nothing more you can add...


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So let me get this straight you believe she is going out and speaking on his behalf but saying things that SHE supports and not HE even though she is speaking to get HIM elected based on HIS policies.

Again, WHERE did I say that?
WHERE did I say "but saying things that SHE supports and not HE..."?

As to the rest, your assessment is mind-bogglingly dull.
There are a LOT of people who "speak on behalf" of Barack, "speaking to get him elected".


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If she is saying things he doesn't support why doesn't he stop her?
You're out in left-field looking with a hockey puck looking for the hoop.


What the heck do you think you're talking about?
What is she supposedly saying (about HIS position) that he doesn't support?
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