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AmericanDreamer · #31 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 01:22 AM

My understanding is that Obama would possibly sit down and meet with Hamas, despite what many are saying.

bhkad · #32 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

I think they were critisized were they not?

Sure they were. But I was talking to AD, specifically. If he had criticized them at the time he'd have mentioned it above when I asked him:

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Where was your outrage when San Fran Nan, Jimmah Carter and Swiftboat Kerry were doing much worse?

But he didn't.

He was caught by his own response.

That makes him a hypocrite, yes?

AmericanDreamer · #33 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

Sure they were. But I was talking to AD, specifically. If he had criticized them at the time he'd have mentioned it above when I asked him:

But he didn't.

Unfullfilled expectations lead to anger, and in this case you seem to be a bit upset I didn't take your lead. So be it.

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Originally Posted by bhkad

He was caught by his own response.

That makes him a hypocrite, yes?

No, not a hypocrite. It makes me honest. Am I supposed to criticize them just because you mentioned them? I don't think so. As I said, Carter and Kerry are history, IMO, and I will focus on the present and respond to the thread's topic. I don't agree with Bush's comments and I believe that he made them in order to bolster the republican party in the eyes if the Israelies. Bush is not the first politician to ever be out of line, nor will he be the last. Bush criticizing our system publically while visiting Israel is not too cool, but the damage has been done. No super-duper criticism on my end, just simple criticism. To take it any further would be like beating a dead horse. I prefer not to.

cnredd · #34 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

My understanding is that Obama would possibly sit down and meet with Hamas, despite what many are saying.

have you read the Hamas Charter?...

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Article Thirteen

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Moslem problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realising the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?

"But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah." (The Cow - verse 120).

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with. As in said in the honourable Hadith:

"The people of Syria are Allah's lash in His land. He wreaks His vengeance through them against whomsoever He wishes among His slaves It is unthinkable that those who are double-faced among them should prosper over the faithful. They will certainly die out of grief and desperation."

You believe someone should talk to a group that not only believes, but makes it part of their charter, that "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."?!?!...

Have you been betting on the Cubs the last 80 years?...

bhkad · #35 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

Unfullfilled expectations lead to anger, and in this case you seem to be a bit upset I didn't take your lead. So be it.

No, not a hypocrite. It makes me honest. Am I supposed to criticize them just because you mentioned them? I don't think so. As I said, Carter and Kerry are history, IMO, and I will focus on the present and respond to the thread's topic. I don't agree with Bush's comments and I believe that he made them in order to bolster the republican party in the eyes if the Israelies. Bush is not the first politician to ever be out of line, nor will he be the last. Bush criticizing our system publically while visiting Israel is not too cool, but the damage has been done. No super-duper criticism on my end, just simple criticism. To take it any further would be like beating a dead horse. I prefer not to.

I'm not upset at all.

You are simply full of shit and it seeps from you onto these pages.

AmericanDreamer · #36 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

have you read the Hamas Charter?...

You believe someone should talk to a group that not only believes, but makes it part of their charter, that "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."?!?!...

Have you been betting on the Cubs the last 80 years?...

If the guidelines are met, why not. As long as Hamas complies with the requirements, it wouldn't hurt IMO. Obama's guidelines are clear:

"We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist and abide by past agreements."
Obama criticizes ex-President Carter's Hamas meeting | Politics | Reuters

We know that Hamas would not agree with the terms, but if they actually do go along with the program, I say give it a shot. Like I said, it's better to keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

I am not an Obama supporter. But if he does get the job then I'd expect him to be true to his word ...as far as Hamas is concerned. Hopefully his "change" promise doesn't mean that he'll change his mind.

AmericanDreamer · #37 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

I'm not upset at all.

You are simply full of shit and it seeps from you onto these pages.

No reason to sugar coat it for us. You asked and I answered. I am entitled to my opinion, aren't I? What exactly about my response gets you get all flustered?

cnredd · #38 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

I am entitled to my opinion, aren't I?

hmmm...

Let me think about that...

AmericanDreamer · #39 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

hmmm...

Let me think about that...

Just as you are entitled to yours. The backlash from our opinions is a different issue.

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cnredd · #40 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

Just as you are entitled to yours. The backlash from our opinions is a different issue.

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I don't get backlash from mine...

They're correct 100% of the time...

cnredd runs from the room ducking...

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