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Americans and probably every other Democratic country tend to vote their pocketbooks and second, they get tired of protracted wars. Just a fact of life, we have low attention spans. Under the present administration, we have had both a dent in the old purse and a protracted war. Whether it is George's fault or not, we may do what we have done in the past. Which is "throw the bums out" and start fresh.
The economy wasn't as bad as it is now when George Bush Sr. was in office, but it was tight. No flamboyance. We had a war that didn't last long. But outsourcing was beginning to be felt and layoffs were still creeping into the picture. So people voted for Clinton. But it could have been any Democrat with enough money to finish the race.
We had Black Monday in 1929. Hoover was in the White House. We tossed him out in favor of Roosevelt, who was of the opposite party.
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What you said SOUNDS nice, but that's not what's happening...

There is a VERY BIG difference between disagreeing with the president by opposing legislation and ACTIVELY undermining the president on legislation that has already passed...

THAT is undermining nomatter how you look at it...

Ever since the Iraq War started, and continuing through to this very day, the Democrats have repeatedly trashed the legislation AFTER each bill to provide funding was signed into law...At any time, they could say "It's not something "I" want, but Congress has spoken, and it falls on the side of the president."...Instead, they say "Congress has spoken, but I'll just continue to whine and whine and whine."...

Over 40 TIMES the Democratic leadership in both houses of Congress have tried to undermine the war with NEW legislation and have failed on every occasion...

When Reid said "The war is lost", that's not just "disagreeing with the president"....That's blatantly giving the enemies we're fighting in Iraq motivation...That's UNmotivating our own troops...That's undermining...

And it's NOT pundits either...These are people elected to represent our country...

Democrat Kerry saying if you're uneducated, you end up in Iraq...Democrat Durbin saying American troops are like Nazis...Democrat Bennett calling our troops mercenaries...

Do you think that's the same thing as "disagreeing with the president" or not liking a policy?...

And leaving Iraq before it's rightful end is a message to the world (especially our own allies) that when the going gets tough, America will NOT stand side by stand with the people they attempt to defend...
National defense and security

The Republican Party has always advocated a strong national defense; however, up until recently they tended to disapprove of interventionist foreign policy actions. Republicans opposed Woodrow Wilson's intervention in World War I and his subsequent attempt to create the League of Nations. Many Republicans opposed the creation of NATO. Even in the 1990s, although George H.W. Bush orchestrated the Gulf War, Republicans opposed the intervention of the United States in Somalia and the Balkans. However, in 2000, George W. Bush ran on a platform that opposed these types of involvement in foreign conflicts.Republican Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hoover was a lukewarm Republican Progressive and, as such, he tried a few half-hearted attempts to stimulate the economy, most notably with the National Recovery Administration. His worst failing was his insistence on old fashioned budget balancing, calling for tax increases as the economy shrank, and reducing government spending as revenues declined.Republican Party: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

The Republican Congress responded with an equally shortsighted policy: a ruinous increase in protective tariffs under the Smoot-Hawley tariffs, a vindictive form of trade policy that generated trade reprisals from America's principal trading partners and made economic recovery—for Europe, Japan, and America—that much more difficult.Republican Party: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

Franklin D. Roosevelt's landslide victories in 1932 and 1936 pushed the Republicans into near-eclipse.

In 1946 the Republicans were able to regain control of Congress for the first time in sixteen years. Thanks to the cooperation of President Harry Truman and Senator Arthur Vandenberg, bipartisan internationalism prevailed in foreign policy, and Republicans were instrumental in supporting the Marshall Plan for European economic development, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the military alliance of Western Europe and North America organized against the Soviet Union, and the United Nations. A group of Republicans in Congress under the leadership of Representative Richard Nixon of California held investigations into the charges that the Roosevelt and Truman administrations had coddled Communists in their midst. This accusation and particularly the charges against State Department undersecretary Alger Hiss created ill will between Truman and the Republicans.

Eisenhower... provided international stability and attempted to engage in serous disarmament talks with Premier Nikita Khrushchev of the Soviet Union. In domestic policy, Eisenhower made great gains. Working in collaboration with a bipartisan coalition in Congress, the president promoted federal aid to education, sent troops to Little Rock, Arkansas, to enforce desegregation, and supported a national network of inter-state highways. Nevertheless, Eisenhower's detached style of governing and the recession of the late 1950s contributed to a fall in his popularity.

Tit for tat, I'd say.
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