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Old 10-27-2007, 01:51 PM
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Republicans in the State of California, of which I am one, have proposed for the initiative process a change to the way that electoral college votes are distributed.

Instead of winner take all the process would be proportional representation.

Some of you might remember that Democrats attempted the same thing in Colorado, an irrelevant state really in the electoral process because of its minimal EC votes.

I didn't bother to post any links because there are so many and really I am interested in what YOU think, not some agendized reporter.



For myself I am conflicted. A change in the process would almost guarantee a Republican presidetial victory every time. It might also make California more relevant to the national election process and consdering that California has well over 10% of the population I think that would be a good thing.

However; I feel that the electoral college is an important piece of the structure of our government as it helps small states be relevant. It would be possible for a candidate to completely ignore 20-25 states and just campaign here in various gerrymandered districts.

Also I think that once we start going down this road then inevitably the matter of Senate representation will come up. I alreay hear grumblings about how Alaska has a Senator for each couple of hundred thousand while California only has one for about 17 million people. But again, this was specifically designed to give voice to small states.


I also think that changing the electoral accounting system right before the presidential election is like changing the rules of the game midway thru (this might go on the ballot in June and the election is in November).

Had the people attempted to put this on the ballot in 06 it could have been discussed more rationally, but with it being right before the election that it will effect reeks of dirty politics to me. (And I am of the opinion that that is the democrats domaine).


So what do you think?

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The democrats were happy, and there was even a big article in the Chronicle about how they were able to squash this effort.

To be honest the major backers were out of state Republicans with ties to the Guiliani campaign,

but after the dems crushed this initiative it has come back from the dead and now some in-state Repubs are backing it despite the Governor's opposition.
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I have rethought this and the small states are irrelevant anyway, and proportional representation would be a better way assigning electoral college votes.
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It does give smaller states a reason to vote.
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Republicans in the State of California, of which I am one, have proposed for the initiative process a change to the way that electoral college votes are distributed.

Instead of winner take all the process would be proportional representation.

Some of you might remember that Democrats attempted the same thing in Colorado, an irrelevant state really in the electoral process because of its minimal EC votes.

I didn't bother to post any links because there are so many and really I am interested in what YOU think, not some agendized reporter.



For myself I am conflicted. A change in the process would almost guarantee a Republican presidetial victory every time. It might also make California more relevant to the national election process and consdering that California has well over 10% of the population I think that would be a good thing.

However; I feel that the electoral college is an important piece of the structure of our government as it helps small states be relevant. It would be possible for a candidate to completely ignore 20-25 states and just campaign here in various gerrymandered districts.

Also I think that once we start going down this road then inevitably the matter of Senate representation will come up. I alreay hear grumblings about how Alaska has a Senator for each couple of hundred thousand while California only has one for about 17 million people. But again, this was specifically designed to give voice to small states.


I also think that changing the electoral accounting system right before the presidential election is like changing the rules of the game midway thru (this might go on the ballot in June and the election is in November).

Had the people attempted to put this on the ballot in 06 it could have been discussed more rationally, but with it being right before the election that it will effect reeks of dirty politics to me. (And I am of the opinion that that is the democrats domaine).


So what do you think?
Since the proposed change would not increase California's total number of Electors, I think that such a change would be in keeping with the spirit of the EC.


Further, it would require candidates to make greater efforts to sell their platform in California, not just assume that their Electors are a given quantity.

(Plus the Democrats will consider this a sure sign of the impending Apocalypse and will put on a fine show for us.)
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I have rethought this and the small states are irrelevant anyway, and proportional representation would be a better way assigning electoral college votes.
Oh no we're not! Not at a time when the country is so close to a 50-50 split on so many issues.
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