Barack Obama Press Conference

cnredd · #1 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 02:35 PM

Mikeyy and I were having a conversation in the Shoutbox...

It was pretty stimulating, so I made it a thread...

Read it from the bottom up...

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Mikeyy: Lets say he attacked Wright 5 years ago. First thing is he would have never become a senator. Maybe his goal was to get to a position where he had a better podium to speak from.

cnredd: You may have been around the block politically to see through that facade, but there are millions of non-political people who are just seeing that NOW...and that's gonna change opinions...

cnredd: Oh I wholeheartedly agree, but that makes Obama exactly what he says he's NOT...a died-in-the-wool politician...His whole image is that he's "different"...He's "better than a regular politician"...That image is now destroyed...When people look at him now, they'll say "Nope!...You're just a schmoozer like everyone else."...

Mikeyy: Lets say we agree that Obama wasn't oblivious. There is the point that he is a pol and he did represent that district. He may have ignored wright for another reason. Ambition

cnredd: But he sat there and listened to it for 20 years...Are you telling me he was the only one in the congregation NOT cheering?...

Mikeyy: I don't think Obama buys it

cnredd: Bigger than what most people realized...

Mikeyy: Thats what I just said. That is a bigger story

cnredd: I'm talking about "extent"...I don't know if the general public knew it was a widespread as it is...What's more shocking than Wright's statements is the RESPONSE he got from his congregation...

Mikeyy: Just watch CSPAN. Or listen to talk radio. I have heard blacks repeating these theories for a long time.

Mikeyy: Oh come on I knew they preached this and I have never been in a black church.

cnredd: Nobody addressed lame conspiracies because that is exactly what they are...lame conspiracies...I think the issue is nobody knew it was being preached in black churches...

Mikeyy: I think Jesus leads his faith.

cnredd: By all accounts he doesn't?????...He had that man lead his faith for 20 years!!!!

Mikeyy: I don't mean crack. I mean the black communties need to allways find a boogie man

Mikeyy: I have heard that crack was a CIA scheme too. Why has nobody addressed this issue until now?

Mikeyy: If there was a story here at all it is that there is a lot of conspirosy theories run.ning around the black community

Mikeyy: This would all be very interesting if there were some evidence that Obama shared his views. But by all accounts he doesn't

cnredd: But a ton of people are going to see that as "too little too late"...In other words, the question is "Why did you wait until the polls showed Wright is having a negative effect on your candidacy before you dropped the hammer?...If you REALLY wanted unity, you would've dropped any connection to Black Liberation Theology years ago."...

Mikeyy: It may be that Wright has been wounded in the ego and so he is being even more provacative then normally

cnredd: For Obama to be oblivious to stuff like this for 2 decades from Wright is dubious at best...He's came accross today as if this Wright charachter on display was the first time he ever saw it...

cnredd: Wright's National Prsss Club conference PROVED that the "snippets" and "10 second sound bites" weren't taken out of context...Wright backed up his assertions that America created the terrorism that atacked it...

cnredd: Agreed, but I didn't take 20 years to find that out...

Mikeyy : He is doing the right thing. Wright is an asshole

cnredd: Obama's having a press conference right now...fumbling every third word...

cnredd · #2 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Lets say he attacked Wright 5 years ago. First thing is he would have never become a senator. Maybe his goal was to get to a position where he had a better podium to speak from.

Of COURSE that was his goal!...

That's what makes is so bad...

He actually sat there while his own pastor...the guy who performed his marriage and baptized his children...repeatedly attacked the very country he was elected to serve...

...and did NOTHING...

..so he can politically ascend...

Mikeyy · #3 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Of COURSE that was his goal!...

That's what makes is so bad...

He actually sat there while his own pastor...the guy who performed his marriage and baptized his children...repeatedly attacked the very country he was elected to serve...

...and did NOTHING...

..so he can politically ascend...

Again we don't know how often this guy went on one of these crazy rants. And he has done something. He has reputiated the mans ravings.

cnredd · #4 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Again we don't know how often this guy went on one of these crazy rants.

It's much more than crazy rants...

It's the whole damn ideology!!!...America is to blame...White people are to blame...

You can't sit there for 20 years and NOT see the big picture...The "crazy rants" are only part of it...

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

And he has done something. He has reputiated the mans ravings.

When it became politically convenient...

Spencer Collins · #5 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:05 PM

And so..the chickens have come home to roost. Obama's 20 years of silence proves that he did not object to Wright's anti- American racist rhetoric.When this was "exposed" for what it really is..Obama condemned Wright's rhetoric for political advantage.

cnredd · #6 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

And so..the chickens have come home to roost. Obama's 20 years of silence proves that he did not object to Wright's anti- American racist rhetoric.When this was "exposed" for what it really is..Obama condemned Wright's rhetoric for political advantage.

he shoots...he scores!...

tristanrobin · #7 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Again we don't know how often this guy went on one of these crazy rants.

Do you think that if there had been many more of them, we wouldn't be subjected to them 80 times a day, as we've been subjected to the two we know about? Is there some reason to believe that the news agencies have decided to keep the other ones "under wraps?" This is a church that has its sermons videoed weekly. Are all the other ones just 'missing?' pfffffffffft

Obama had disavowed himself of Wright's words - and today has said, in no uncertain terms, that Wright's statements were divisive, destructive and the antithesis of what Obama stands for. Jesus. What more can the guy DO? He can't go shoot the fucker.

My minister holds many political stands which I do not agree with him on (he actually supported publicly our city becoming a sanctuary city). That doesn't mean that he's not a spiritual leader of knowledge and compassion. I can certainly understand why Obama wouldn't leave his church (a pretty big deal in my opinion) because of the political stance of his pastor.

Mikeyy · #8 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:44 PM

After all is said and done it really makes no diff to me. I don't think this is Obamas beliefs. I still need to make a choice. And this story hasn't put me off Obama.
We still have 3 candidates. Obama and McCain have embrassed wacko religious leaders. Now Barack has thrown his under the bus. Will McCain do the same. I doubt it. I think this whole thing is inside baseball. How much does any of your pastors really guide your beliefs.

I will let Obama speak for Obama. Just like I do all of them.

tristanrobin · #9 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:48 PM

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How much does any of your pastors really guide your beliefs.

I think it's true about almost everything except two issues: abortion and gay rights. They line up to listen to their preachers about these two issues.

We don't care what our preachers say about war, race, poverty, broken families, the hungry and disenfranchised - but let them start in about fags, and we're right there cheering them on!

Spencer Collins · #10 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:56 PM

I've said it before and I will say it again...this an issue of "judgement". Does Obama's judgement matter? Only to some of us...Obama has stated this is a valid political issue. It's a free country..one man would listen to this anti-American racist rhetoric and remain an active member for 20 years. Another man would hear this rhetoric perhaps once or twice before he left that congregation to search for another.

This does not rise to the level of abandoning one's faith,nobody here is saying that! The option of finding another congregation and shepherd that is more in line with one's viewpoint is always available.Obama decided not to exercise "that" option.FINE...but don't tell people that Obama's judgement is not in question when Obama himself said it was a valid political issue.

Just because "some" of us are bored with the issue does not mean it's not a valid political issue. I suspect we will begin to "move on" sometime after November.

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