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Old 10-15-2012, 11:59 PM
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My first choice was Newt Gingrich
#2 Ron Paul..I refuse to vote for Romney.
Newt was my first choice but didn't happen. How the hell you think you can stop the obama disaster by voting for Johnson escapes me.
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I only get to vote once in the primary, if it doesn't go my way I adjust to the person better than what we have now. I would love for a third party to have a decent chance, not even possible at this point. I sure as hell would never consider Johnson for that third party candidate.
Of course not because you have been cloned to believe what the loudspeaker tells you..
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I accept your apology...but I have some compassion for your stupidity as well.I don't vote for RINO'S...for the sake of a party. The only wasted vote is the unprincipled vote. You go ahead and reward Willard,a man I'm sure you've detested for years. I'll bet this is not the first time you've rewarded a RINO with your vote,how did that work for you last time?
Myself, I don't know any Republicans that despised Romeny. Most of us were fairly indifferent to him.

I also think that that's a pretty good attitude to have towards most elected administrators. People tend to get really excited about the rare hero, true.

But I have found more often that they get truly passionate about candidates that they think will help them accomplish things that they could never convince rational people to accept by application of reasoned argument.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:08 AM
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I only get to vote once in the primary, if it doesn't go my way I adjust to the person better than what we have now. I would love for a third party to have a decent chance, not even possible at this point. I sure as hell would never consider Johnson for that third party candidate.
And I respect your decision and ask that you show some respect for mine. I did much the same as you did. I wanted Newt but that was not to be so I got behind Ron Paul with the same result. I will not vote for Obama or Romney so I went with Gary Johnson and voted Libertarian for the first time in a presidential election. I do not agree with "everything" Johnson supports but that's true with most candidates. Building a third parties viability takes time,it will not happen overnight. I have zero expectation that Johnson will win,if he can get above 5%,it may help the Libertarian cause. Every time I take those online tests the results say I'm right leaning Libertarian but this is the first time I voted that way.
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And I respect your decision and ask that you show some respect for mine. I did much the same as you did. I wanted Newt but that was not to be so I got behind Ron Paul with the same result. I will not vote for Obama or Romney so I went with Gary Johnson and voted Libertarian for the first time in a presidential election. I do not agree with "everything" Johnson supports but that's true with most candidates. Building a third parties viability takes time,it will not happen overnight. I have zero expectation that Johnson will win,if he can get above 5%,it may help the Libertarian cause. Every time I take those online tests the results say I'm right leaning Libertarian but this is the first time I voted that way.
Wow 5% would be huge. Do you think he'll get that ?
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Wow 5% would be huge. Do you think he'll get that ?
Unfortunately..no,I expect him to get about 2% maybe 3%. I know he's picking up some votes from Ron Paul supporters,a few of my neighbors have removed their RP signs and replaced them with Johnson signs..
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My problem with Johnson is that he was a republican governor and remained a republican right up until he didn't win the nomination so he took his ball and went home...and then joined another party...for revenge; not for any nobel cause as if he could really get elected under a third party umbrella.
I have voted third party before...twice for Ross Perot and once for Harry Browne only to watch those votes do as much good as hitting myself in the face with a hammer.
No more third party votes for me.
And as for a principled vote...i don't find the vote for someone supporting the legalization of drugs all that principled (and not just simply marijuana...but other hard drugs as well).
Until the libertarian party is willing to do the work of building their party from the ground up through electing their candidates to various other positions before trying to go straight for the top they will not be taken seriously by the majority of voters.
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My problem with Johnson is that he was a republican governor and remained a republican right up until he didn't win the nomination so he took his ball and went home...and then joined another party...for revenge; not for any nobel cause as if he could really get elected under a third party umbrella.
Very astute point...

Johnson didn't say "The Republicans left me" when he was running AS a Republican...

It was ONLY after they didn't choose him that he went that route...
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My problem with Johnson is that he was a republican governor and remained a republican right up until he didn't win the nomination so he took his ball and went home...and then joined another party...for revenge; not for any nobel cause as if he could really get elected under a third party umbrella.
That's why Michigan would not allow Johnson on it's ballot.We have a "sore loser law".."Michigan election officials will not allow Johnson to run as the libertarian candidate because he ran in the republican presidential primary earlier this year and lost. Michigan state law does not allow a losing candidate to run in the general election for another political party." That said...Johnson may not be seeking revenge,he may truly believe he has something to offer that the others do not. Time will tell...if he returns to the Republican party after the election he will prove himself to be a political opportunist like so many others.
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And I respect your decision and ask that you show some respect for mine. I did much the same as you did. I wanted Newt but that was not to be so I got behind Ron Paul with the same result. I will not vote for Obama or Romney so I went with Gary Johnson and voted Libertarian for the first time in a presidential election. I do not agree with "everything" Johnson supports but that's true with most candidates. Building a third parties viability takes time,it will not happen overnight. I have zero expectation that Johnson will win,if he can get above 5%,it may help the Libertarian cause. Every time I take those online tests the results say I'm right leaning Libertarian but this is the first time I voted that way.
Do you believe that Obama and Romney are equally bad for this nation?
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