After a while, it becomes inevitable when you realize the other person is not interested in facts or intellectual debate.

You do not argue with a wall. You avoid debating certain people for the same reason.

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Yes, you just start getting personally insulting, just like on the playground. Like the average kids picking on the smarter kid in 5th grade. I see that's where you and your buddy are.

If one cares about the truth, one will relish the opportunity to spread it. Xcali often offers links and facts. I saw some links given by him in this very thread...with no factual arguments given by anyone to refute xcali's facts.

Hey, everyone here can choose how they conduct himself/herself. D-man was a poster of substance once upon a time. I miss that guy.

It's easy for you and D-man to gang up and insult someone and talk to each other in a sycophantic way because you disagree with that particular someone.

Like I say, it's your choice to defend your position with facts or just to become 5th graders and say " liar, liar" or "you suck because you are partisan".

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"Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace." ~Siddhartha Gautama (The Buddha)

Oh that's hilarious...

It's not a strawman... You specifically spouted off a right wing talking point when you said
Which is eluding to the conspiracy cooked up by the right to deny the polling.

Yes a conspiracy is necessary for you to achieve the outcome you are seeking.

And you are assuming that the turn out is gong to be less than it was in 2008, which is bu*****. It may or may not be the case, but the turnout has absolutely nothing to do with the result of a poll.

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Still is. One of the five best members on this forum. Just because he calls out one of your own does not mean he is suddenly not a productive poster.

You claiming dabateman is no longer a good poster yet believe Xcali is the greatest mind of our era says more about you than dabateman.

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I really think you should check yourself before making such an assertion. First off I thought we were having a debate on the subject.. ( if you are referring to the thread on DOMA).. and You never actually proved anything wrong. You posted information that was irrelevant to the issue and I called you out on it. Then you claim that I'm not Interested when it was you who walked away from that debate . Oh I'm sure you will say you were tired of arguing or try to spin it to your benefit, which is fine by me.
You do what you want, I thought we were having a decent debate but apparently I was wrong about that.

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Listen, I'm sure I know what you think of me as a poster...I continue to try to come to grips with that...a work in progress and all that.

I didn't see anything from dabateman in this thread except non-substantive name calling to you about someone else. Not to his usual standard, to be sure. I hate it when there is a gang up of no substance. It's bullying and an effort to intimidate and I don't like it.

I didn't say that xcali is the greatest mind of our era...I said that he has made an effort at substance...one of very few that have, including me, on this thread.

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"Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace." ~Siddhartha Gautama (The Buddha)

You have a lot of balls to make such a statement considering you are the worst one on this forum for not backing up what you say with facts. You don't subscribe to intellectual debate, you only like to play games , throw out insults, and act like a hall monitor like your soul purpose of drawing attention to try and impress someone. You post news articles you find to support your positions and then accuse someone else of posting something that you think is off of some left wing news channel.

I came here to this forum because the last place I signed up to was dead. The members there got so sick of the fighting and the nonsense that most of the good posters stopped coming. Someone told me that this place was a great place to have good, informative debates, but I'm second guessing my decision to continue on here because I have yet to see a decent debate on any issue. I'm a Liberal , and I've never denied that fact. But I am not the Uber partisan liberal you people have painted me to be.
When I post something I normally try to back that up with the facts As I know them to be. The Idea is for the opposition to post their own facts and debate the issue, but that doesn't happen here. Most of you who are on the right side of the spectrum simply sling a few insults, distract from the issue, or just make erroneous claims because you have your little gang to support you no matter what you say or how ignorant it is.

You Comet really, REALLY need to come down off your high horse before you fall off...

And with that.. I'm out... You people have a nice day.

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Again, more denial from you. It's like you're a river in Egypt with as often as you deny and evade.

I owned the debate. Established the facts. AND when you come back with a two word response, you proved it was over as you didn't have the capacity to argue the points.

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The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.

-- Hitler, April 11 1942

But I never described it as a "conspiracy"

Nor did I ever indicate, in any words, that there was some sort of collusion among the various pollsters (which would amount to conspiratorial conduct).

It took me awhile to figure out what you were trying to say, above.

Apparently, you meant alluding when you used the homophone, "eluding."

Why?

Well, as I posted in another thread, here is the analysis of the Gallup organization:

And--just in case you may have misplaced it--the link: Poll: Rich and poor, male and female, what groups would thrive under Obama or Romney

Oh, here is a bit from Dick Morris, as regarding the findings of Republican pollster John McLaughlin:

Interesting...