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Since I voted for Obama and remember his campaign well from 2008, I have a question for you:

Knowing that excitement surrounding team Obama is no where near today what it was across the nation back then, what makes you think he'll get anywhere near the turn out he got last time.....?

I don't see any of the positive energy I saw four years ago with Obama voters. It's a different climate completely and very obvious to moderates who tend to be less biased....
How does anyone expect a D+ even higher than 2008? It's not even possible at this point. And those are the only numbers keeping Obama in contention now.
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I see your question was for xcali, but maybe the answer is, there's not near the enthusiasm over Obama that there was four years ago. On the other hand, that election was a landslide, so now there's no chance of a landslide, but still it doesn't mean Obama can't win. Just a tighter race.

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Since I voted for Obama and remember his campaign well from 2008, I have a question for you:

Knowing that excitement surrounding team Obama is no where near today what it was across the nation back then, what makes you think he'll get anywhere near the turn out he got last time.....?

I don't see any of the positive energy I saw four years ago with Obama voters. It's a different climate completely and very obvious to moderates who tend to be less biased....
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I see your question was for xcali, but maybe the answer is, there's not near the enthusiasm over Obama that there was four years ago. On the other hand, that election was a landslide, so now there's no chance of a landslide, but still it doesn't mean Obama can't win. Just a tighter race.
Ok, that's a legit argument......

I think it's going to be a close race and will come down to just a few states in the end....

And the polling has been trending to Romney for several weeks now...

Ask yourself where the momentum is and which team is getting their message across.....

Obama doesn't play defense as well as he played offense back in 08, that's for sure.....
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It isn't just all the Obamamaniacs who were there in 2008, and won't be there in 2012. It's what will now be there in opposition.

The evangelicals didn't turn out in 2008. They'll be there in 2012.

The Tea Party did not die in 2010. It's out of view to most, but it's stronger, and better organized than it was in 2010. In fact that whole 2010 machine is there, more streamlined and effective.

Funding is better in 2012.

Andrew Breitbart and others were able to put together an army of Citizen Journalistists, and New Media, which is now able to deconstruct, and refocus Mainstream misdirection, and outright Progaganda. Now if you tell us Romney put his dog on the roof of his car, we'll tell you Obama ate dog. Progs aren't going to be getting away with Palinizing anyone this time.

Obama now carries around the anchor of his record.

The debates showed both Obama and Romney to be only human, and in that measure Romney wins.

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Ok, that's a legit argument......

I think it's going to be a close race and will come down to just a few states in the end....

And the polling has been trending to Romney for several weeks now...

Ask yourself where the momentum is and which team is getting their message across.....

Obama doesn't play defense as well as he played offense back in 08, that's for sure.....
It's not that close the D/R/I numbers aren't adding up. This thing may be over before I get home from voting and Romney will be president.
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Since I voted for Obama and remember his campaign well from 2008, I have a question for you:

Knowing that excitement surrounding team Obama is no where near today what it was across the nation back then, what makes you think he'll get anywhere near the turn out he got last time.....?

I don't see any of the positive energy I saw four years ago with Obama voters. It's a different climate completely and very obvious to moderates who tend to be less biased....
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Since I voted for Obama and remember his campaign well from 2008, I have a question for you:

Knowing that excitement surrounding team Obama is no where near today what it was across the nation back then, what makes you think he'll get anywhere near the turn out he got last time.....?

I don't see any of the positive energy I saw four years ago with Obama voters. It's a different climate completely and very obvious to moderates who tend to be less biased....
He won't get the turnout he got in 2008 but I believe he will get enough to win. He may lose the popular vote but he will most likely win the electoral college simply because the odds are in his favor. There has been a sharp rise in Absentee ballots requested in many of the swing states. With all the new Voter Laws passing more and more people are simply voting through the mail to avoid showing up at a poll only to be challenged. That might explain why it seems like a utter lack of enthusiasm.
However, if you watch Obama speeches he's drawing Huge crowds of people, compared to Romney who normally draws very small crowds compared.
One other thing that I don't think the Republicans really thought about is the third party candidates. The Republican Party stiffed Ron Paul, and tossed Gary Johnson out , and both men have a following. I think this election will rival the Ross Perot Election where he picked up enough of the Vote to cost Bush Sr. his re-election bid. There's a Third Party guy in Virginia, Don't remember his name, but he's quiet popular in Virginia and is likely to pull in 5 or 6 % of the Virginia vote. That most always comes off the republican side so Romney isn't only fighting Obama for votes.

The Party didn't like Romney to begin with. They are only now settling on him since he bought his nomination. There's still many Republicans who are not happy with him. Down here in the deep south I know a whole bunch of Republicans who have chosen to vote for Gary Johnson simply because they refuse to vote for a Mormon. I personally don't believe religion should play a roll in politics but that's their words not mine.

Point is Obama doesn't need the same turnout of 2008 to dispose of Willard. He leads among African Americans and Hispanics by Hug margins. He leads among Women by double digits.. regardless of what you may have heard that hasn't changed. He leads among young people. If Willard picks up less than 61 % of the White Male vote he will lose hands down.
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He won't get the turnout he got in 2008 but I believe he will get enough to win. He may lose the popular vote but he will most likely win the electoral college simply because the odds are in his favor. There has been a sharp rise in Absentee ballots requested in many of the swing states. With all the new Voter Laws passing more and more people are simply voting through the mail to avoid showing up at a poll only to be challenged. That might explain why it seems like a utter lack of enthusiasm.
However, if you watch Obama speeches he's drawing Huge crowds of people, compared to Romney who normally draws very small crowds compared.
One other thing that I don't think the Republicans really thought about is the third party candidates. The Republican Party stiffed Ron Paul, and tossed Gary Johnson out , and both men have a following. I think this election will rival the Ross Perot Election where he picked up enough of the Vote to cost Bush Sr. his re-election bid. There's a Third Party guy in Virginia, Don't remember his name, but he's quiet popular in Virginia and is likely to pull in 5 or 6 % of the Virginia vote. That most always comes off the republican side so Romney isn't only fighting Obama for votes.

The Party didn't like Romney to begin with. They are only now settling on him since he bought his nomination. There's still many Republicans who are not happy with him. Down here in the deep south I know a whole bunch of Republicans who have chosen to vote for Gary Johnson simply because they refuse to vote for a Mormon. I personally don't believe religion should play a roll in politics but that's their words not mine.

Point is Obama doesn't need the same turnout of 2008 to dispose of Willard. He leads among African Americans and Hispanics by Hug margins. He leads among Women by double digits.. regardless of what you may have heard that hasn't changed. He leads among young people. If Willard picks up less than 61 % of the White Male vote he will lose hands down.
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Washington Times/Zogby
Obama 49.7
Romney 47.3

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Obama leads in latest poll as Romney loses bounce - Washington Times
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