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Old 09-18-2012, 01:45 PM
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:54 PM
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:11 PM
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Having jobs??? Stopping the downward decline of our credit rating?? Slowing (hopefully reversing) the amount of debt this nation is carrying??
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Having jobs??? Stopping the downward decline of our credit rating?? Slowing (hopefully reversing) the amount of debt this nation is carrying??
Deficit-ballooning tax cuts and a couple trillion more in military spending increases will slow and possibly reverse the debt? He wants to repeal to the Affordable Care Act, but only keep at least some of the parts people like and do away with the means to pay for them, that's more in the hole we go! Last time I recall, when you increase spending and reduce revenues, that doesn't slow the growth of debt and certainly won't reverse it.

Creating a bigger hole in our budget will stop the downward decline in our credit rating? In what fantasy land does all this come from?

Are you sure you're trying to describe the alternative? (Romney) Because if you are, you're not helping Mitt.
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Deficit-ballooning tax cuts and a couple trillion more in military spending increases will slow and possibly reverse the debt? He wants to repeal to the Affordable Care Act, but only keep at least some of the parts people like and do away with the means to pay for them, that's more in the hole we go! Last time I recall, when you increase spending and reduce revenues, that doesn't slow the growth of debt and certainly won't reverse it.

Creating a bigger hole in our budget will stop the downward decline in our credit rating? In what fantasy land does all this come from?

Are you sure you're trying to describe the alternative? (Romney) Because if you are, you're not helping Mitt.
Silly liberal - Cutting taxes increase private sector jobs by making more investment capital available to private enterprise. Increasing capital investments creates jobs. Private sector jobs increase tax revenue.

You want to treat tax cuts as if they happen in a vacuum, but in the real world, they have a net positive effect on tax revenues. They serve to spread the tax burden "wider and shallower", instead of "narrower and deeper". The "narrow and deeper" model has the weakness of being very fragile and subject to the whims of the few. The "wide and shallow" is far more stable in every way. We want nearly everyone carrying a small share of the responsbility, giving more people "skin in the game". Lets have as many people as is reasonable paying some taxes, so that they can all see how this bill effects them.
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Silly liberal - Cutting taxes increase private sector jobs by making more investment capital available to private enterprise. Increasing capital investments creates jobs. Private sector jobs increase tax revenue.
Silly Conservative.. This theory has been proven wrong in the fact that corporations are currently sitting on over 2 trillion dollars in investment capitol and have not created jobs. Taxes are at the lowest point they have been since the 50's ... Nope... the way to fiscal responsibility doesn't go through more tax cuts for the top 2% .... Ask George W. if this trickle down theory works.. he did have the worst jobs record of any modern President.

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You want to treat tax cuts as if they happen in a vacuum, but in the real world, they have a net positive effect on tax revenues. They serve to spread the tax burden "wider and shallower", instead of "narrower and deeper". The "narrow and deeper" model has the weakness of being very fragile and subject to the whims of the few. The "wide and shallow" is far more stable in every way. We want nearly everyone carrying a small share of the responsbility, giving more people "skin in the game". Lets have as many people as is reasonable paying some taxes, so that they can all see how this bill effects them.
Republican math has never worked. If you make 4000 dollars a month and your bills equal 4000 dollars a month then you can balance your budget. If you take a pay cut down to 3500 a month you create a budget deficit , then you have to borrow 500 bucks to keep your budget balanced. That 500 bucks then goes onto your debt, so next month you have to come up with another 500, plus the interest on the first 5 hundred just to stay even.

You don't cut your pay and then make more money .. that is mathematically impossible. There are a lot of intangibles in the U.S. Economy that might make it appear otherwise, like the Bush tax cuts, There were several years starting in 2004 where incoming revenues rose in spite of the tax cuts.. but stretch that out over the decade the tax cuts were intended to cover and it left us trillions short of a balanced budget. With unemployment High because of the recession, revenues are even lower than expected, so now we have trillion dollar deficits that no amount of spending cuts is going to solve.
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If you make 4000 dollars a month and your bills equal 4000 dollars a month then you can balance your budget. If you take a pay cut down to 3500 a month you create a budget deficit , then you have to borrow 500 bucks to keep your budget balanced. That 500 bucks then goes onto your debt, so next month you have to come up with another 500, plus the interest on the first 5 hundred just to stay even.
Which is why you cut your spending to begin with.
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Which is why you cut your spending to begin with.
Very true... But you also have things like FOOD that you have to buy, Light bills, insurance for a car, Water bills.. You know those things that you simply have to have...

The Government has those things too , things that by the Law that politicians made must be paid for, such as Social Security and Medicare...

The Problem is the mandatory spending takes up the greatest portion of spending , well that and defense... The Democrats won't allow cuts to Entitlements, the Republicans won't allow cuts to Defense and they won't allow revenue increases... I'm afraid we're going to just be in debt because you can't cut enough spending elsewhere to make a dent in the Deficits or the debt.
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Very true... But you also have things like FOOD that you have to buy, Light bills, insurance for a car, Water bills.. You know those things that you simply have to have...

The Government has those things too , things that by the Law that politicians made must be paid for, such as Social Security and Medicare...
Laws can be changed. And there are a lot of unnecessary things being paid for.

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The Problem is the mandatory spending takes up the greatest portion of spending , well that and defense... The Democrats won't allow cuts to Entitlements, the Republicans won't allow cuts to Defense and they won't allow revenue increases... I'm afraid we're going to just be in debt because you can't cut enough spending elsewhere to make a dent in the Deficits or the debt.
This country is run by ****ing idiots. you're preaching to the choir. That doesn't mean that we can't change that and actually elect people who might ****ing do something right for once. Getting rid of dems and repubs would be a good first step.
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