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Old 08-31-2012, 01:15 PM
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No, you don't see at all. This is about the integrity of the ballot. Do you really want to claim that large numbers of legitimate voters are too stupid, too enfeebled, too clueless to obtain an ID card? Or do you want to come clean and admit that what you really want is for people with no legal right to participate in our elections need to be allowed to do so to advance your cause?

I don't think you can have it both ways.

By the way, the next time you need a doctor, I think it would be very hypocritical of you to require them to identify themself, be able to produce a license or any proof of medical training.
Do you want to inhibit legitimate citizens from exercising their constitutional right to vote? And there are many that are too enfeebled, too poor, or students that can't vote in the state they go to school in. There are many more of those people than there are legitimate voter fraud cases. If you want true integrity of the ballot, you cannot keep citizens from voting.

I don't require a picture ID from my doctors before they treat me.
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Do you want to inhibit legitimate citizens from exercising their constitutional right to vote? And there are many that are too enfeebled, too poor, or students that can't vote in the state they go to school in. There are many more of those people than there are legitimate voter fraud cases. If you want true integrity of the ballot, you cannot keep citizens from voting.

I don't require a picture ID from my doctors before they treat me.
Weird. I was required to have an ID to get into college. You know, to prove I was who I said I was. Hell, I had to have an ID to take the ACT. So how can students be in college without any form of identification?

Citizens aren't kept from voting. They're just required to prove they are, in fact, citizens.
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Weird. I was required to have an ID to get into college. You know, to prove I was who I said I was. Hell, I had to have an ID to take the ACT. So how can students be in college without any form of identification?

Citizens aren't kept from voting. They're just required to prove they are, in fact, citizens.
Certainly, they are kept from voting if they have to pay for a birth certificate if they lost the original...and they are too poor to pay $20 or more for it. They are kept from voting if they don't drive (urban areas) and have to take off work and pay for public transportation to go sit at a DMV and wait their turn, all the while losing pay for the time they aren't at work. A student that is required to vote in their home state is kept from voting if they cant get to their home state to cast their ballot. There are many more of those people than there are fraud cases.

My son hasn't had to show ID to enroll at any of the 3 universities he has attended. He did get a university ID, which many states don't accept as sufficient ID to vote. I'm sorry that you had to show ID to enroll. He did have to show a DL to get his parking permit, however.
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A federal judge in Ohio on Friday*restored early voting rights in the three days before the election, ruling in favor of the Obama campaign.

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The Romney campaign had falsely accused Obama of trying to curtail military voting when the suit simply sought to force the state to make early voting available to all Ohio voters.
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Requiring voter ID speaks to the INTEGRITY of the system and I support it. That said,we should do everything possible to help people obtain voter identification. Provide free transportation for registration and free access to birth records and no charge for photo copies. Also...and more important,sufficient notice that the state is about to go to a photo ID requirement. We require photo ID to travel abroad,buy liqueur,drive a vehicle or rent a car. Requiring a photo ID enhances the integrity of our system and honers all who gave their lives to secure our freedom and safeguard the idea of one man one vote for all of our citizens.
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Certainly, they are kept from voting if they have to pay for a birth certificate if they lost the original...and they are too poor to pay $20 or more for it. They are kept from voting if they don't drive (urban areas) and have to take off work and pay for public transportation to go sit at a DMV and wait their turn, all the while losing pay for the time they aren't at work. A student that is required to vote in their home state is kept from voting if they cant get to their home state to cast their ballot. There are many more of those people than there are fraud cases.

My son hasn't had to show ID to enroll at any of the 3 universities he has attended. He did get a university ID, which many states don't accept as sufficient ID to vote. I'm sorry that you had to show ID to enroll. He did have to show a DL to get his parking permit, however.
Yeah, they required an ID to take the ACT. So someone else couldn't take it for you. Pretty common sense. Then they required an ID to enroll in college, so someone else can't enroll in your name. Pretty common sense. I find it hard to believe that a university would allow someone to just walk up and say they have a high school diploma and are able to pay and just allow them to enroll based solely on their word that they have a diploma, the money to pay, and that their name is what they say it is.

In all the years I've lived outside of my home state, I voted absentee. Students can do that too.

So if you don't care if people are actually citizens or not, then why bother limiting voting to just citizens? Or gun ownership? Doesn't make any damn sense. And why aren't you guys bitching about these poor people not being allowed to exercise their right to own a gun? And how do they register to vote to begin with? And how are they getting to the polls to vote?

Regardless, these issues are THEIRS. Not the government's. Only citizens can vote. Therefore, people must prove they're citizens. It's really very simple and just plain common sense. If they can't prove they are citizens, then they can't exercise rights that only citizens have. That's no one's fault but theirs and as such, no one is preventing them from voting but them.
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Requiring voter ID speaks to the INTEGRITY of the system and I support it. That said,we should do everything possible to help people obtain voter identification. Provide free transportation for registration and free access to birth records and no charge for photo copies. Also...and more important,sufficient notice that the state is about to go to a photo ID requirement. We require photo ID to travel abroad,buy liqueur,drive a vehicle or rent a car. Requiring a photo ID enhances the integrity of our system and honers all who gave their lives to secure our freedom and safeguard the idea of one man one vote for all of our citizens.
And that is where Texas failed and demonstrated that they are doing this for purely political purposes.
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And that is where Texas failed and demonstrated that they are doing this for purely political purposes.
And when that has been proven,the voter ID law should be stricken..
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And when that has been proven,the voter ID law should be stricken..
I think it should be in a different order, prove there is a fraud problem, then fix it...perhaps with free, quick BC retrieval, free and on demand transportation to the DMV and extended hours for those that work...and many forms of acceptable ID...your ideas are good ones but no state has that availability for getting ID.

Before you limiting rights, you should have to prove there is a problem. There won't be integrity in the system if voters are not allowed to vote.
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I think it should be in a different order, prove there is a fraud problem, then fix it...perhaps with free, quick BC retrieval, free and on demand transportation to the DMV and extended hours for those that work...and many forms of acceptable ID...your ideas are good ones but no state has that availability for getting ID.

Before you limiting rights, you should have to prove there is a problem. There won't be integrity in the system if voters are not allowed to vote.


You do realize that you cannot work in this country without 2 forms of ID ??
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