Originally Posted by Attila the Sooner

We'll see if you're still laughing in November.

Originally Posted by Xcali

Your lack of response to the reply tells me I most likely will be.

Originally Posted by Attila the Sooner

Sig bet?

Originally Posted by Xcali

balls in your court.. I'm game.

Originally Posted by Attila the Sooner

The bet.... If Obama wins you get to write my sig line for 1 month. If Romney wins, I get to write your sig line for 1 month.

Originally Posted by Xcali

It's still too early to determine that. The fact that it's convention time and Willard is still trying to draw in his base is good news for Obama. The independent vote will be minimal this year, they have reported that there's only about 4 % undecided.. so it will come down to the base. Nothing gets people out to the polls better than telling them they can't vote. I would bet all these voter suppression laws are going to backfire...

Originally Posted by faithful_servant

There's the fear-based BS pack of lies again. Somehow enforcing existing voter regitration laws has suddenly become voter suppression. What's the matter, are you afraid that without all of the illegal votes for Pres. Obama, he'll never get elected?? Does the idea of an election without voter fraud scare you so badly that you'll lie to prevent that from happening???

Originally Posted by Xcali

First off no one has ever proven there was voter fraud, the people in the Pennsylvania trial even stated that they didn't have evidence of any voter fraud . They aren't merely trying to enforce existing voter Laws they are passing new Laws targeting blacks, Hispanics, and elderly people in an effort to suppress the vote. That is indisputable.

Do you fear Obama being elected in a fair election so much that you would support stripping people of their right to vote.

Tell me.. Why is Ohio cutting early voting ? how does early voting have anything to do with voter fraud. I'll tell you why, they are cutting early voting because they went back and looked at the results from 2008, where a majority of Democrats voted in the early voting days just prior to election day. They can't have all those Democrats voting , it wouldn't be possible to steal another election.

Originally Posted by Infidel Dog

There are a large variety of types of voter fraud. There have been many allegations, and there have even been convictions. You can find them with a simple Google search. They don't register convincingly in dry stats for a number of reasons.

How many allegations are never brought to court either, because of difficulties in getting a conviction, or political bias, or both? And even in the cases of actual convictions these can be cherry picked away for not meeting criteria of the stats.

For example look at the Franken case in Minnesota. Here's the allegations...

Fund on Fraud and Franken: Voter Fraud Is Real, and It Gave Us ObamaCare - YouTube

Now if you look at the arguments against that from the rhetorically charged, left leaning alternet.org you find much of that is nit-picked away. A lot of the critique is ideologues discrediting the claim on the grounds they are made by ideologues. But one fact remains. There were convictions.



GOP Voter Fraud Hucksters Latest Lie: Felons Made Franken U.S. Senator | Alternet

And there's another fact that's brushed over that I find interesting. 32% of the convictions involved felons who registered, but didn't vote. I ask myself why did they go to the trouble of registering, then not vote?

I think of ACORN. I'm not saying ACORN had anything to do with this one, but there were all those convictions of ACORN personnel registering people to vote who weren't eligible. ACORN disavowed any knowledge of them from the head office, and I don't think any of those bogus names registered actually voted, so the frauds most likely wouldn't have made it into the stats for voter fraud, but it does show there have been efforts to encourage unscrupulous voting practices. Would such practices have made it into the prisons of Minnesota? It didn't have to be ACORN doing it.

So knowing stuff like that, should we be worried about the possibility of voter fraud? You say no. I say yes. The debate continues, but if you're saying concerns of voting fraud are based on nothing you are one of the ideologues alternet.org was concerned with, just not the ones from the side of aisle they were focusing on.

Originally Posted by Xcali

Like I said, You still haven't produced evidence that voter fraud is rampant enough to warrant all of these swing states passing voter suppression laws in an election year. Tell me this.. Why is it during the Primaries there wasn't a peep about Voter Id laws. I didn't get asked when I went to the voting polls for my ID. No one was.. So Republicans are basically saying that ALL voter fraud is done by Democrats. They are passing laws that have nothing to do with stopping fraud.. they are passing laws to suppress the vote.. more specifically the Democrats vote.