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Old 07-26-2012, 02:02 PM
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No, because it is an actual request from the Romney campaign, but don't let facts get in the way. I notice you didn't even question the address problem.
because it's not a problem. If anything it was a mistake but doesn't equate to voter fraud. Willard is probably doing this to distract from the fact that he won't release his tax returns.
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There is no "issue" that I can see. These lists come from the state. Not everything can be up to date. Which is why I've said multiple times that you need a better system.

But flaws in the records does not equate fraud. Fraud is a very very different thing.
Then why the invalid return address?? Maybe it's nothing, but maybe it's a real issue. Why not find out and put the issue to bed? If there's a problem, then drop the hammer on someone, if not, then our officials have done the due diligence needed to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
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Then why the invalid return address?? Maybe it's nothing, but maybe it's a real issue. Why not find out and put the issue to bed? If there's a problem, then drop the hammer on someone, if not, then our officials have done the due diligence needed to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
Oh I don't disagree, but to assert that an incorrect address equates fraud, as the article attempts desperately to do, is just sensationalist bunk. Which is why I pointed out that the source is essentially a blog on a conservative website. They have motivation to make this into something far larger than it is without any evidence to suggest the fraud assertions they assert.

I'm just sick of this sort of **** coming from both sides. People jumping to conclusions and always assuming the worst case scenario. I mean you've got the stupid thread about Mitt's offshore accounts equating asset protection with tax fraud. You've got people blowing up over the President's birth certificate STILL. You've got a bunch of "kids" playing "gotcha" and frankly, they're not that good at it. If you're going to "get" someone, there should probably be something to actually get before you start blowing it up and making a big deal.

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Oh I don't disagree, but to assert that an incorrect address equates fraud, as the article attempts desperately to do, is just sensationalist bunk. Which is why I pointed out that the source is essentially a blog on a conservative website. They have motivation to make this into something far larger than it is without any evidence to suggest the fraud assertions they assert.

I'm just sick of this sort of **** coming from both sides. People jumping to conclusions and always assuming the worst case scenario. I mean you've got the stupid thread about Mitt's offshore accounts equating asset protection with tax fraud. You've got people blowing up over the President's birth certificate STILL. You've got a bunch of "kids" playing "gotcha" and frankly, they're not that good at it. If you're going to "get" someone, there should probably be something to actually get before you start blowing it up and making a big deal.

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There wasn't assertion of fraud, just the question of why the return address wasn't valid. They weren't playing "gotcha", they were asking for the due diligence that YOU support.

Read the report from PJ: The PJ Tatler Why Is the Voter Participation Center Spoofing the Virginia State Board of Elections’ Return Address?

It asks questions that you are supporting having answered, so where's the attempt to accuse of fraud?? Is there an implication by virtue of the need for the questions to be asked?? Absolutely, but that's the nature of the situation.
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And as usual, the liberals refuse to address the issue and instead prefer to distract from it since they don't have a legitimate answer.
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There wasn't assertion of fraud, just the question of why the return address wasn't valid.
Bull****. The OP is doing exactly that. In the second sentence it asserts fraud as "schennagians".

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Actually, the OP is playing the gotcha game.

First, you don't get to shift the goal posts by bringing up a different article to run away from the assertions of the OP. The OP is the OP and that is the source the poster chose to use to support his claim. That post is an assertion of fraud and playing "gotcha". Plain and simple. Second, the PJ report, though investigative, is not the appropriate venue by which to get anything done about the problem. Like the TN case, it needs to be handled by state and federal officials so that it can be a legal issue.

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It asks questions that you are supporting having answered, so where's the attempt to accuse of fraud?? Is there an implication by virtue of the need for the questions to be asked?? Absolutely, but that's the nature of the situation.
The OP was not an implication, it was an assertion.
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Bull****. The OP is doing exactly that. In the second sentence it asserts fraud as "schennagians".



Actually, the OP is playing the gotcha game.



First, you don't get to shift the goal posts by bringing up a different article to run away from the assertions of the OP. The OP is the OP and that is the source the poster chose to use to support his claim. That post is an assertion of fraud and playing "gotcha". Plain and simple. Second, the PJ report, though investigative, is not the appropriate venue by which to get anything done about the problem. Like the TN case, it needs to be handled by state and federal officials so that it can be a legal issue.



The OP was not an implication, it was an assertion.
Me thinks thou doth protest too much. This article must be hitting home.
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because it's not a problem. If anything it was a mistake but doesn't equate to voter fraud. Willard is probably doing this to distract from the fact that he won't release his tax returns.
Of course it's not a problem to you. It's a Democratic group that is doing it and we all know they can do no wrong. They are probably as lilly white as ACORN.
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There wasn't assertion of fraud, just the question of why the return address wasn't valid. They weren't playing "gotcha", they were asking for the due diligence that YOU support.

Read the report from PJ: The PJ Tatler Why Is the Voter Participation Center Spoofing the Virginia State Board of Elections’ Return Address?

It asks questions that you are supporting having answered, so where's the attempt to accuse of fraud?? Is there an implication by virtue of the need for the questions to be asked?? Absolutely, but that's the nature of the situation.
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This is all too reminiscent of the voter fraud practiced by ACORN in the 2008 presidential campaign in Ohio, Indiana and other states. Hopefully, someday the lefties who say that voter ID laws and other anti-fraud measures are not necessary will be overcome by all the evidence of voter fraud and other instances of ineligible voting.
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Me thinks thou doth protest too much. This article must be hitting home.


Just because there is a right way and a wrong way to do things does not mean I support voter fraud. Try again.
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