Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Really? Lets see them build that stand in a country with no law enforcement.

Originally Posted by WallyWager

Ok, Fox News has truly jumped the shark this time, it's in New York Post territory. What a shame.

Originally Posted by Comet

Parents of little lemonade entrepreneurs find Obama's small biz advice leaves sour taste | Fox News

Originally Posted by GottaGo

Which is bought and paid for via taxes, licenses and permits. It's not given to them free of charge.

Next?

Originally Posted by Coyote

What also should have been highlighted: There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.

Those weren't "government" examples but examples of the rich legacy in our country that has helped make success possible - it's not dependent on just one person. Somebody taught that person (for example).

So NOT the only two examples

Originally Posted by faithful_servant

That statement was the lead-in to the two examples given, not a separate example. It was setting up the two statements that followed with the common thread that most teachers are GOVERNMENT employees and the two examples that followed are GOVERNMENT funded. The connection is clear, but probably too nuanced for some to recgonize.

Originally Posted by WallyWager

I've already shot the message to hell and back. The way Fox News frames this argument, the picture, the text, the whole setup; it looks like something coming from a tabloid like NYP or The Sun. Has a lot of that "OMG WOW Really?" style, the pushed message, and ultimately little in the way of substance other than a feel-good story from a partisan slant. I'm more attacking they way they put this silly story together, they way it was set up for the audience.



Please don't try to ignite another pissing match by attacking Mikeyy in your reply to me.



Yes, those kids built a lemonade stand, it's cute but so the f-ck what? A store on main street or a factory is a bit more complicated than that. And, of course, the streets to a fro their house, and the sidewalks, were probably built and maintained by public workers through tax dollars paid for by the people who live there. So in a total jackassish way... maybeeeee partlyyyy

Oh and of course their customers keep the business going, not even a lemonade stand exists in a vacuum.

Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Right, Who said free of charge?

Originally Posted by GottaGo

If the services were given to them, then a claim for being responsible for the success might hold some merit.

Since the services were bought and paid for, there is no merit to it at all.

It's like your supplier of pearls taking credit for the success of your business. It has nothing to do with how much YOU have put into your business.

Originally Posted by WallyWager

No, not socialist rhetoric, but a fact of life. No one exists in a bubble. Your upbringing, your education, your intelligence and wisdom, the success your business has, all of that, does not exclusively come from you.

And Obama never said government is the sole arbiter of your prosperity, that's just a very interesting interpretation.

An example:
There's a restaurant a bit down the road. If I walk over there and order a Greek omelet for breakfast, I am contributing in some small way to their income side of the ledger. If I don't, they don't get that $6.95, it doesn't magically appear in the till.



It's not just infrastructure, not just government, not just one thing, and even then that really isn't true for some people.