Penn out as Clinton senior strategist

So far, we've had Obama chastise the Free Trade agreement with Canada only to have his economic policy advisor talk to Canada and tell them it's “more reflective of political maneuvering than policy” then Clinton's campaign manager is found to have made $200,000 on failed mortgages while she screams for more government bailouts, then Obama's advisor on Iraq writes a report saying 60,000 to 80,000 troops should stay in Iraq until at least the end of 2010 while Obama tells us how we should start leaving the day after he's inaugurated...

...and now this...

If the truth will set one free, these two will be held prisoner for quite some time...

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"You get the respect that you give" - cnredd

And John McCain will make a fine cell-mate. Interesting how one likes to spin things, constantly claim a bias, and then continue to show that bias by neglecting to mention one of the least truthful members of the race...

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I don't remembering stopping you from starting threads on it...

Maybe you just like to re-direct in ones already made...

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"You get the respect that you give" - cnredd

I think that you are giving the quote you provided. I don't deny the guilt of one side just to make my side look better. You are constantly on people because of that and yet you continue to do the exact same thing. The hypocrisy is AMAZING! The title of this thread leaves one to believe we are talking about Penn, and perhaps even Clinton. You made the thread about Democrats which is not the original intent of the article. In addition, you have suggested that I start a new thread instead of addressing the question. If I start a new thread, it would have to be focused on calling you out every time you advocated one thing and then went completely against it. You've called the media out for their lack of equal treatment, I expect you to treat the candidates equally.

If you would have provided an analysis as to why all three candidates were liars (if indeed you wanted to talk honestly about honesty) then we wouldn't have an issue, but as long as you fight media favoritism and continue to show favoritism in your posting, I will continue to call you out on it.

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And since when did you make the all-encompassing judgement on why people create threads?...

Where does it say that that one can't justify using an article to show a bigger picture?...

When somone creates a thread, "I" would think that the member did so for a reason...and I don't remember anywhere saying it MUST be about that one article and that one article only...

It was an EXAMPLE of my true intent for the thread...To show a pattern...That's all...

And in two posts so far, you've first moved the goalposts to include someone not in the disussion, then ran an attck on me and how I posts thread...

...without dealing with the actual topic yet...

As ar as calling me out...That would be done simply by showing a ocuple of examples where McCain had to dismiss an advisor because they were doing things that McCain was against according to his words on policy...

I've shown two instances from Obama and Clinton...both with sources...

As for McCain, I can't name on off the top of my head...

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"You get the respect that you give" - cnredd

Penn should have been dismissed ages ago."Last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Penn had met with Colombia's ambassador to the United States to discuss promotion of a free-trade agreement, one that Clinton opposes. Penn apologized Friday for an "error in judgment," and the Colombian government responded a day later by firing Burson-Marsteller".

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"Destiny must be shaped and not left to mere chance."..Spencer Collins ..

1. If it was your true intent to show a trend, then start a thread about the trend, not a single specific instance. If your thread had been about a trend, then there would be plenty to discuss. Your actions/words indicate your intent and there were more effective ways of getting your point across then simply changing one news article post into a social commentary.

2. I wasn't the individual who set the goal posts, you did. You set the goal posts through your attacks of specific news organizations playing favorites. Since you set this thread up as a news thread instead of a commentary thread (formatting), then you should adhere to your own calls for non-biased reporting.

3. Your first post says nothing about an Obama team member being forced out, merely that the member said one thing and the candidate another. By reading that first post, it appears that you want to talk about the candidates inability to be honest.

Once we set the parameters for the conversation, I'll be more than happy to point out the failures of McCain. Until then, I don't want to play on a field that is shifting positions.

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