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My main issue with Romney is he buys into the same theory that always causes the country problems. The ideas he seems to support are ideas I disagree with. He seems to believe in a variation of trickle down. That we just need to free those at the top of the economic ladder from regulation and taxes and their entrepreneurial efforts will raise all boats. At a time when taxes are as low as they have been in decades I find that policy wishful thinking.
I don't think regulations and taxes are the issue. I think our problem is wasteful spending. I include all agencies in this idea. From our military to social security. I think about the movie "Dave" where the Kevin Klein (acting as POTUS) and Charles Grodin sit down with a calculator and find waste they can cut out. Where I really think our problem is is with congress and the left/right news media. We have split the country so badly down partisan lines that the congress not only can't work together, they are not allowed to by the constituency. The lefts leadership in congress are a complete waste of space and I would hold their paychecks for not doing their job if I had the ability. The right has gone off the rails and are bound to make Obama a failed POTUS. The tea party candidates take pride in not compromising to the poing of stupidness. It's our fault. We send these morons there and then we wonder why our debt is climbing and nobody can solve the mess.
In the end it won't matter who is POTUS because if it's Romney the left will drag their feet and we have already seen the rights willingness to give Obama any support.
We all watch the news service that caters to our preconceived beliefs and supports us. I would not have a problem with cuts in spending where they can be done right. I might even support targeted tax cuts. There is a lot I would probably agree with the right on and I would bet some on the right would reach across to agree where the my not support something 100%. But how do we get there without trashing each other which seems to be what we hire our representatives for these days, what we watch our news for these days, and what we come to these forums for these days.
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My main issue with Romney is he buys into the same theory that always causes the country problems. The ideas he seems to support are ideas I disagree with. He seems to believe in a variation of trickle down. That we just need to free those at the top of the economic ladder from regulation and taxes and their entrepreneurial efforts will raise all boats. At a time when taxes are as low as they have been in decades I find that policy wishful thinking.
I don't think regulations and taxes are the issue. I think our problem is wasteful spending. I include all agencies in this idea. From our military to social security. I think about the movie "Dave" where the Kevin Klein (acting as POTUS) and Charles Grodin sit down with a calculator and find waste they can cut out. Where I really think our problem is is with congress and the left/right news media. We have split the country so badly down partisan lines that the congress not only can't work together, they are not allowed to by the constituency. The lefts leadership in congress are a complete waste of space and I would hold their paychecks for not doing their job if I had the ability. The right has gone off the rails and are bound to make Obama a failed POTUS. The tea party candidates take pride in not compromising to the poing of stupidness. It's our fault. We send these morons there and then we wonder why our debt is climbing and nobody can solve the mess.
In the end it won't matter who is POTUS because if it's Romney the left will drag their feet and we have already seen the rights willingness to give Obama any support.
We all watch the news service that caters to our preconceived beliefs and supports us. I would not have a problem with cuts in spending where they can be done right. I might even support targeted tax cuts. There is a lot I would probably agree with the right on and I would bet some on the right would reach across to agree where the my not support something 100%. But how do we get there without trashing each other which seems to be what we hire our representatives for these days, what we watch our news for these days, and what we come to these forums for these days.
hhhmmm sorta.
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My main issue with Romney is he buys into the same theory that always causes the country problems. The ideas he seems to support are ideas I disagree with. He seems to believe in a variation of trickle down. That we just need to free those at the top of the economic ladder from regulation and taxes and their entrepreneurial efforts will raise all boats. At a time when taxes are as low as they have been in decades I find that policy wishful thinking.
I don't think regulations and taxes are the issue. I think our problem is wasteful spending. I include all agencies in this idea. From our military to social security. I think about the movie "Dave" where the Kevin Klein (acting as POTUS) and Charles Grodin sit down with a calculator and find waste they can cut out. Where I really think our problem is is with congress and the left/right news media. We have split the country so badly down partisan lines that the congress not only can't work together, they are not allowed to by the constituency. The lefts leadership in congress are a complete waste of space and I would hold their paychecks for not doing their job if I had the ability. The right has gone off the rails and are bound to make Obama a failed POTUS. The tea party candidates take pride in not compromising to the poing of stupidness. It's our fault. We send these morons there and then we wonder why our debt is climbing and nobody can solve the mess.
In the end it won't matter who is POTUS because if it's Romney the left will drag their feet and we have already seen the rights willingness to give Obama any support.
We all watch the news service that caters to our preconceived beliefs and supports us. I would not have a problem with cuts in spending where they can be done right. I might even support targeted tax cuts. There is a lot I would probably agree with the right on and I would bet some on the right would reach across to agree where the my not support something 100%. But how do we get there without trashing each other which seems to be what we hire our representatives for these days, what we watch our news for these days, and what we come to these forums for these days.
A Romney win will only slow the rate of decay.

Until all able bodied citieziens are taxed at exactly the same rate, and the Government disentangled form most peoples' daily lives, the decline will cointinue. Presonally, I think it's probably unstopable at this point.
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The biggest difference it will make is to get Obama out of the White House so this country can heal. Race baiting, class warfare and all the other divisive elements Obama has brought to bear will slowly slide into oblivion. Most of the old time politicians will be replace in the next couple of elections so maybe the newly elected will become Americans instead of just politicians. If the Republicans have the guts to tackle the entitlements programs along with SS and Medicare, reform can bring these programs back into the black and keep them there. Once we have balanced the budget, taxes will have to be raised (across the board) to pay down the national debt. Ninety percent of the people in this country should be paying federal taxes, not 50%.
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The biggest difference it will make is to get Obama out of the White House so this country can heal. Race baiting, class warfare and all the other divisive elements Obama has brought to bear will slowly slide into oblivion. Most of the old time politicians will be replace in the next couple of elections so maybe the newly elected will become Americans instead of just politicians. If the Republicans have the guts to tackle the entitlements programs along with SS and Medicare, reform can bring these programs back into the black and keep them there. Once we have balanced the budget, taxes will have to be raised (across the board) to pay down the national debt. Ninety percent of the people in this country should be paying federal taxes, not 50%.
Most of the old line Republican pols. will replaced, the old line Dem. pols will just keep getting re-elected until they die. I see our political landscape looking at a substantial change in the next couple decades. This administration has shown how poorly the Dems. do when they are put in charge. They had an unassailable majority for two years and accomplished virtually nothing except to make things worse. I think that this was the swan song for the Dems. and they are on the verge of dropping to a permantent status of minority party. But I also see the emergence of the TP splitting the conservative side of the aisle. The Reps. are going to end up being the "moderates" and the TP will end up being the conservatives. This will give the Dems. some leverage on those occasions where they can court the Reps. on specific issues. We've seen Congress as a whole moving further and further left and I think that people are seeing that this is not a good thing. With the TP rising up, we're going to start seeing a shift back to our conservative roots (here's the part where our resident liberals start making comments like "Back to the times when women were locked in the kitchen, blacks were locked on the plantation and homosexuals were tarred and feathered for being 'sodomites'.") and a shift back towards fiscal solvency.
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I posted this one in the campaign ads thread, but it kind of answers the title question, so I'll post it here.

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And I'd like to address one section of that - opening up America to energy production.

First...

Often you'll hear Wasserman Schultz, or some other Obama foot soldier talk about the jobs created under Obama. Ever wonder where those jobs came from?



http://www.environmentaltrends.org/t...e61f6e22a4.png

Now the Obama guys will tell you stuff like Oil production has increased under Obama. That's true, but Obama had nothing to do with it. Most production happened on private lands, and what didn't happened on federal leases opened up under the Bush administration. In the meantime the Green River Formation in Colorado, and surrounding states alone has more oil than there is in the Middle East. They continue to fight the Obama administration to get at it. Then there's ANWAR, offshore, and we haven't even mentioned natural gas and coal yet.

So if all that is opened up will there be jobs? More than there ever were from Solyndra, or Fisker will be my guess.

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My main issue with Romney is he buys into the same theory that always causes the country problems. The ideas he seems to support are ideas I disagree with. He seems to believe in a variation of trickle down. That we just need to free those at the top of the economic ladder from regulation and taxes and their entrepreneurial efforts will raise all boats. At a time when taxes are as low as they have been in decades I find that policy wishful thinking.
I don't think regulations and taxes are the issue. I think our problem is wasteful spending. I include all agencies in this idea. From our military to social security. I think about the movie "Dave" where the Kevin Klein (acting as POTUS) and Charles Grodin sit down with a calculator and find waste they can cut out. Where I really think our problem is is with congress and the left/right news media. We have split the country so badly down partisan lines that the congress not only can't work together, they are not allowed to by the constituency. The lefts leadership in congress are a complete waste of space and I would hold their paychecks for not doing their job if I had the ability. The right has gone off the rails and are bound to make Obama a failed POTUS. The tea party candidates take pride in not compromising to the poing of stupidness. It's our fault. We send these morons there and then we wonder why our debt is climbing and nobody can solve the mess.
In the end it won't matter who is POTUS because if it's Romney the left will drag their feet and we have already seen the rights willingness to give Obama any support.
We all watch the news service that caters to our preconceived beliefs and supports us. I would not have a problem with cuts in spending where they can be done right. I might even support targeted tax cuts. There is a lot I would probably agree with the right on and I would bet some on the right would reach across to agree where the my not support something 100%. But how do we get there without trashing each other which seems to be what we hire our representatives for these days, what we watch our news for these days, and what we come to these forums for these days.
Romney may have some things in common with a republican majority but not enough to get them to understand they still will have to work with Democrats to get anything done. I further speculate that McCain would have had almost as hard a time as Obama is having with them.
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The biggest difference it will make is to get Obama out of the White House so this country can heal. Race baiting, class warfare and all the other divisive elements Obama has brought to bear will slowly slide into oblivion. Most of the old time politicians will be replace in the next couple of elections so maybe the newly elected will become Americans instead of just politicians. If the Republicans have the guts to tackle the entitlements programs along with SS and Medicare, reform can bring these programs back into the black and keep them there. Once we have balanced the budget, taxes will have to be raised (across the board) to pay down the national debt. Ninety percent of the people in this country should be paying federal taxes, not 50%.
Get the white boy in and everything will be better huh? The last time the republicans were in the created more entitlments. The last time Romnet was in government he started mandated health care. Your memories or the repblicans are like some peoples pining for the 50's as though it was a better time. You are always wrong.
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And I'd like to address one section of that - opening up America to energy production.

First...

Often you'll hear Wasserman Schultz, or some other Obama foot soldier talk about the jobs created under Obama. Ever wonder where those jobs came from?



http://www.environmentaltrends.org/t...e61f6e22a4.png

Now the Obama guys will tell you stuff like Oil production has increased under Obama. That's true, but Obama had nothing to do with it. Most production happened on private lands, and what didn't happened on federal leases opened up under the Bush administration. In the meantime the Green River Formation in Colorado, and surrounding states alone has more oil than there is in the Middle East. They continue to fight the Obama administration to get at it. Then there's ANWAR, offshore, and we haven't even mentioned natural gas and coal yet.

So if all that is opened up will there be jobs? More than there ever were from Solyndra, or Fisker will be my guess.
You are like a walking talking right wing website. Oil today is the same price it was in Oct. 2007. So why is the cost of gas what it is?
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