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Old 04-14-2012, 10:14 PM
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... your flesh is the property of the State.
So.

Does that mean they get to choose the receipe?

I might have issues with that.

I'm pretty picky about sauces.

And seasoning.

And, for that matter, the marinade.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:20 PM
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Exaggeration or sensationalism wins one no points.
If they can tell you what life saving, legal and accepted medical procedures you may or may not have, if they can compel treatment while you are mentally competent to refuse, then it is no exaggeration at all to say that they own your flesh. Isn't that sensational?

It is also not in anyway exceptional. Since Governments can send you to war, they've always assumed that your body is theirs to do with as they will. Governments are never to be completely trusted and always to be pruned as needed.
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"Death Panels" are an invention of the Right in an attempt to scare people
IPAB.

Look it up.

Denial does not negate truth.
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Even if the Left (or the Leftist media) invented the term "Republican War on Women", it's not like women are defensive for no reason. It's not like we heard the term "War on Women" and were like, "My God! The republicans have declared war on us! We'd better vote for Obama again!"

Regardless of what one calls it, we are aware of the rash of anti-woman bills being proposed by republican politicians lately (mostly unsuccessfully, but still).
If they want people to stop thinking they're waging war on women, then perhaps they should chill out with the anti-woman legislation, at least for the time being. It's not going to pass anyway, in the current political climate.
No, you're aware that you're being told there's a rash of anti-woman bills.
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Old 04-15-2012, 01:33 AM
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I don't think it's so "fake" when the Republicans go after issues that intimately effect women.

I especially don't think it's so fake when they hold hearings on women's contraception and NOT A SINGLE WOMAN is invited to speak. Not one

So is it war on women? Well...that depends. After all, it's the right that insist that the left has an ongoing war on Christians.
Here's a perfect example: Those hearings were not about woman's contraception, they were about medical coverage for a variety of issues, contraception just happened to be the issue that you were told they were about.
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IPAB.

Look it up.

Denial does not negate truth.
Looked it up, not death panels....not at least until I'm appointed to the board.

One question though; names, SS numbers or pictures on my dartboard? Or should I just pick a name out of the phonebook that makes me giggle the least?
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If they can tell you what life saving, legal and accepted medical procedures you may or may not have, if they can compel treatment while you are mentally competent to refuse, then it is no exaggeration at all to say that they own your flesh. Isn't that sensational?

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They merely tell you what they won't pay for just as insurance companies do.
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No, you're aware that you're being told there's a rash of anti-woman bills.
Maybe she's talking about this rash some of which I don't disagree with...some I do

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Georgia lawmakers pass abortion bill on last, emotional dayNew restrictions on late-term abortions in Georgia, which had appeared dead in the morning, and a bill that would cut unemployment benefits for Georgians, passed with just minutes remaining in the 2012 session.
Only a fight in the senate put a medical clause for docs to do one if necessary. While a woman cannot abort neither can she collect unemployment and feed the kid
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The new law grants exceptions only in cases of medical emergency, the pregnant woman’s imminent death, or a serious risk of “substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function,” a provision experts interpreted as an effort to exclude an exception based on a woman’s mental health.

Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights, said abortion rights supporters were considering all options, including legal challenges to the law.

“If some of these other anti-abortion bills have been chipping away at Roe v. Wade, this takes an ax to it,” Ms. Northup said.
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Arizona Abortion Bill: Legislators Pass Three Bills, Including One That Redefines When Life Begins Arizona lawmakers gave final passage to three anti-abortion bills Tuesday afternoon, including one that declares pregnancies in the state begin two weeks before conception.

The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a bill to prohibit abortions after the 18th week of pregnancy; a bill to protect doctors from being sued if they withhold health information about a pregnancy that could cause a woman to seek an abortion; and a bill to mandate that how school curriculums address the topic of unwanted pregnancies.
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Arizona lawmakers gave final passage to three anti-abortion bills Tuesday afternoon, including one that declares pregnancies in the state begin two weeks before conception.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1415715.html


Nice.
Yeah, how could such a bill possibly be defined as "anti-woman"? A bill which declares that pregnancy begins "two weeks before conception"... in other words, that non-pregnant women (including virgins) are actually pregnant and that the state therefore has a compelling interest in their reproductive organs and in whether or when they are menstruating (menstruation takes place two weeks before conception).

This is what I'm talking about when I say the bills being introduced are not only increasingly blatantly misogynistic but also increasingly outlandish. The sole purpose of these bills seems to be to establish the politician proposing them as a woman-hating uber-conservative extremist, which is apparently a desirable thing to be these days if one is a republican.

I mean, these bills are offensive, and whether or not they pass, they certainly add fuel to the general woman-hating climate within the GOP party (as well as the conservative-hating climate among liberal democrats).
What's next, a quasi-serious proposal that women wear dog collars and walk on all fours?
Do you not get that these proposals are offensive?
They are as offensive to me as it would be to black people if bills were being proposed that they should all be branded like slaves. Even though the bills would not pass, they would be an insult, a slap in the face; and the party proposing them would be considered an ugly joke by the rest of the nation, which is pretty much what's happened to the GOP... and since their weird-ass proposals all have to do with invasive micromanagement of women's sexual organs, they're coming to be seen as a bunch of perverted freaks, as well.
An obscene joke: that's today's GOP.

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To be fair, 10, isn't that when most pregnancies are dated?
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To be fair, 10, isn't that when most pregnancies are dated?
Sltwn, I am working hard to control my temper here.
I want you to put on your little thinking cap, stop doing whatever else you are doing that is preventing you from thinking clearly, and seriously consider, for a moment, the implications of a law which states that pregnancy begins two weeks (or two months, or two years, or two days, or any amount of time) before conception. A law which states that non-pregnant women are actually pregnant.

Can you do that? Can you think really hard about what the implications of such a law would be?
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