Political Wrinkles  

Go Back   Political Wrinkles > Political Forums > Elections
Register FAQDonate PW Store PW Trivia Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Elections Discuss Gender-baiting at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by Oftencold ... your flesh is the property of the State. So. Does that mean they get to ...

Reply
 
Share LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31 (permalink)  
Old 04-14-2012, 10:14 PM
Coyote's Avatar
Conspiracy Theory
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 14,205
Thanks: 11,248
Thanked 8,080 Times in 5,183 Posts
Default Re: Gender-baiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
... your flesh is the property of the State.
So.

Does that mean they get to choose the receipe?

I might have issues with that.

I'm pretty picky about sauces.

And seasoning.

And, for that matter, the marinade.
__________________

DISCLAIMER: Extreme amounts of sarcasm can possibly result in inflammatory situations. Not responsible for keyboard violence, spittle on the monitor, irrational responses mistaken for momentary brilliance, one-sided rages against hypocrisy or individual members or unintended consequences such as poor personal hygiene and bad spelling. Please fasten your seatbelts and put your trays in an upright position.
Reply With Quote
  #32 (permalink)  
Old 04-14-2012, 10:20 PM
Oftencold's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,257
Thanks: 6,648
Thanked 6,247 Times in 4,067 Posts
Default Re: Gender-baiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Comet View Post
Exaggeration or sensationalism wins one no points.
If they can tell you what life saving, legal and accepted medical procedures you may or may not have, if they can compel treatment while you are mentally competent to refuse, then it is no exaggeration at all to say that they own your flesh. Isn't that sensational?

It is also not in anyway exceptional. Since Governments can send you to war, they've always assumed that your body is theirs to do with as they will. Governments are never to be completely trusted and always to be pruned as needed.
__________________
“Quod scripsi, scripsi"



"Sometimes, the source of the beautiful dawning light that drives back the darkness, is your house burning"



Last edited by Oftencold; 04-15-2012 at 12:54 AM..
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Oftencold For This Useful Post:
  #33 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2012, 12:43 AM
MintJulep's Avatar
Provocateur
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: A nation in distress
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,818
Thanks: 1,483
Thanked 1,174 Times in 769 Posts
Default Re: Gender-baiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
"Death Panels" are an invention of the Right in an attempt to scare people
IPAB.

Look it up.

Denial does not negate truth.
__________________
"Barack Obama Is A Radical, We Should Not Be Afraid To Say That". Andrew Breitbart
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MintJulep For This Useful Post:
  #34 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2012, 01:31 AM
faithful_servant's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Beautiful conservative Central Oregon
Gender: Male
Posts: 17,292
Thanks: 4,989
Thanked 7,020 Times in 4,859 Posts
Default Re: Gender-baiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
Even if the Left (or the Leftist media) invented the term "Republican War on Women", it's not like women are defensive for no reason. It's not like we heard the term "War on Women" and were like, "My God! The republicans have declared war on us! We'd better vote for Obama again!"

Regardless of what one calls it, we are aware of the rash of anti-woman bills being proposed by republican politicians lately (mostly unsuccessfully, but still).
If they want people to stop thinking they're waging war on women, then perhaps they should chill out with the anti-woman legislation, at least for the time being. It's not going to pass anyway, in the current political climate.
No, you're aware that you're being told there's a rash of anti-woman bills.
__________________
Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold
Reply With Quote
  #35 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2012, 01:33 AM
faithful_servant's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Beautiful conservative Central Oregon
Gender: Male
Posts: 17,292
Thanks: 4,989
Thanked 7,020 Times in 4,859 Posts
Default Re: Gender-baiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
I don't think it's so "fake" when the Republicans go after issues that intimately effect women.

I especially don't think it's so fake when they hold hearings on women's contraception and NOT A SINGLE WOMAN is invited to speak. Not one

So is it war on women? Well...that depends. After all, it's the right that insist that the left has an ongoing war on Christians.
Here's a perfect example: Those hearings were not about woman's contraception, they were about medical coverage for a variety of issues, contraception just happened to be the issue that you were told they were about.
__________________
Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold
Reply With Quote
  #36 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2012, 02:31 AM
WallyWager's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Michigan
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,306
Thanks: 901
Thanked 2,301 Times in 1,401 Posts
Default Re: Gender-baiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by MintJulep View Post
IPAB.

Look it up.

Denial does not negate truth.
Looked it up, not death panels....not at least until I'm appointed to the board.

One question though; names, SS numbers or pictures on my dartboard? Or should I just pick a name out of the phonebook that makes me giggle the least?
__________________
"Bush tortured people, Obama just kills them."
---Noam Chomsky
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to WallyWager For This Useful Post:
  #37 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2012, 02:59 AM
saltwn's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: in the natural state
Posts: 40,979
Thanks: 30,580
Thanked 16,940 Times in 11,491 Posts
Send a message via Yahoo to saltwn
Default Re: Gender-baiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
If they can tell you what life saving, legal and accepted medical procedures you may or may not have, if they can compel treatment while you are mentally competent to refuse, then it is no exaggeration at all to say that they own your flesh. Isn't that sensational?

...
They merely tell you what they won't pay for just as insurance companies do.
Quote:
Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
No, you're aware that you're being told there's a rash of anti-woman bills.
Maybe she's talking about this rash some of which I don't disagree with...some I do

Quote:
Georgia lawmakers pass abortion bill on last, emotional dayNew restrictions on late-term abortions in Georgia, which had appeared dead in the morning, and a bill that would cut unemployment benefits for Georgians, passed with just minutes remaining in the 2012 session.
Only a fight in the senate put a medical clause for docs to do one if necessary. While a woman cannot abort neither can she collect unemployment and feed the kid
Quote:
Nebraska Law Sets Limits on Abortion
The new law grants exceptions only in cases of medical emergency, the pregnant woman’s imminent death, or a serious risk of “substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function,” a provision experts interpreted as an effort to exclude an exception based on a woman’s mental health.

Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights, said abortion rights supporters were considering all options, including legal challenges to the law.

“If some of these other anti-abortion bills have been chipping away at Roe v. Wade, this takes an ax to it,” Ms. Northup said.
Quote:
Arizona Abortion Bill: Legislators Pass Three Bills, Including One That Redefines When Life Begins Arizona lawmakers gave final passage to three anti-abortion bills Tuesday afternoon, including one that declares pregnancies in the state begin two weeks before conception.

The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a bill to prohibit abortions after the 18th week of pregnancy; a bill to protect doctors from being sued if they withhold health information about a pregnancy that could cause a woman to seek an abortion; and a bill to mandate that how school curriculums address the topic of unwanted pregnancies.
__________________
Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power.
--P. J. O'Rourke
Reply With Quote
  #38 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2012, 03:24 AM
1069's Avatar
Bookworm.
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,072
Thanks: 4,720
Thanked 4,817 Times in 2,597 Posts
Default Re: Gender-baiting

Quote:
Arizona lawmakers gave final passage to three anti-abortion bills Tuesday afternoon, including one that declares pregnancies in the state begin two weeks before conception.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1415715.html


Nice.
Yeah, how could such a bill possibly be defined as "anti-woman"? A bill which declares that pregnancy begins "two weeks before conception"... in other words, that non-pregnant women (including virgins) are actually pregnant and that the state therefore has a compelling interest in their reproductive organs and in whether or when they are menstruating (menstruation takes place two weeks before conception).

This is what I'm talking about when I say the bills being introduced are not only increasingly blatantly misogynistic but also increasingly outlandish. The sole purpose of these bills seems to be to establish the politician proposing them as a woman-hating uber-conservative extremist, which is apparently a desirable thing to be these days if one is a republican.

I mean, these bills are offensive, and whether or not they pass, they certainly add fuel to the general woman-hating climate within the GOP party (as well as the conservative-hating climate among liberal democrats).
What's next, a quasi-serious proposal that women wear dog collars and walk on all fours?
Do you not get that these proposals are offensive?
They are as offensive to me as it would be to black people if bills were being proposed that they should all be branded like slaves. Even though the bills would not pass, they would be an insult, a slap in the face; and the party proposing them would be considered an ugly joke by the rest of the nation, which is pretty much what's happened to the GOP... and since their weird-ass proposals all have to do with invasive micromanagement of women's sexual organs, they're coming to be seen as a bunch of perverted freaks, as well.
An obscene joke: that's today's GOP.

Last edited by 1069; 04-15-2012 at 03:38 AM..
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 1069 For This Useful Post:
  #39 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2012, 03:45 AM
saltwn's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: in the natural state
Posts: 40,979
Thanks: 30,580
Thanked 16,940 Times in 11,491 Posts
Send a message via Yahoo to saltwn
Default Re: Gender-baiting

To be fair, 10, isn't that when most pregnancies are dated?
__________________
Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power.
--P. J. O'Rourke
Reply With Quote
  #40 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2012, 03:53 AM
1069's Avatar
Bookworm.
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,072
Thanks: 4,720
Thanked 4,817 Times in 2,597 Posts
Default Re: Gender-baiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by saltwn View Post
To be fair, 10, isn't that when most pregnancies are dated?
Sltwn, I am working hard to control my temper here.
I want you to put on your little thinking cap, stop doing whatever else you are doing that is preventing you from thinking clearly, and seriously consider, for a moment, the implications of a law which states that pregnancy begins two weeks (or two months, or two years, or two days, or any amount of time) before conception. A law which states that non-pregnant women are actually pregnant.

Can you do that? Can you think really hard about what the implications of such a law would be?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 1069 For This Useful Post:
Reply

Tags
genderbaiting

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:42 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0