Ok, I'm just not seeing the contridiction there you two are saying...

On the first date, he's saying he didn't hear those specific speeches in those videos And he's also saying that Wright never said those specific things to him in private conversation either...

On the second date, Obama is saying he's aware of Wright's critique of America and it's foreign policy...As well as he's heard Wright make controversial comments during sermons as well...

But that doesn't say at all, that he's heard Wright say what was in the videos or the Wright's said those things to him in private conversations. Do you really think that what was in those videos is the only controversial/harsh things he's said about the nation or it's policies? Do you really think that he always says things in the exact same way?

Or is he like most of us here? His speeches designed around the moment, as well as when he's privately engaging in a conversation with someone he knows doesn't share his exact views or has a personal issue with certain language useage, he tones down or makes brief, neutral mentionings as to his viewpoint?

Kinda like me and my family...I'm not Christian, but hold no Christian animosity...My hubby does have an anti-established religion animosity...Yet when with family and friends that are from an established religion/Athiest, he tones down his personal viewpoint as not to insult them one-on-one. And my family, who support but don't really understand my being non-Chrisitan/Athiest, tone down their own disagreement as well when discussing said religious views in order not to insult my own beliefs...

Same with cursing...Some do curse, but they will use it only around those that curse and avoid using it around those of us that find it uncomfortable/distasteful...


I have to agree with you here Mikey...Seems that redd's set dislike of Obama is making him see alot more into the words Obama said in both instances, that isn't there.

It is strictly a rumor mill...And unfortunately, most people are easily swayed to believe and perpetuate the rumor mill very easily...Cause the more 'dirt' you can create about someone, most people rather believe the 'dirt' and what popular interpretation of that 'dirt' is.

That human fallacy of reading more into words/non-words then there is...

Simple truth is, it doesn't matter what he says/doesn't say...Because a number of people made their minds up the moment those tapes hit the media and the swallowed the stories up about Obama surrounding them.

All of this is based of the news story released last week because of a reporter reporting a story given to him from another reporter who said that Obama had been at that one sermon in one of Wright's videos...The 'God D**n America one. And it's been confirmed since then, that the story that stated he'd been there was actually wrong and the reporter releasing the story didn't confirm for himself whether or not Obama had actually been in attendance that day. That the reporter he got the story from, had gotten his information for yet another supposed journalist, that Obama had been present at Wright's sermons...The day in question, Obama was on the campaign trail, not present as he first reported and it was confirmed...He was headed to Miami at the time.

But because of the incorrect story told about his supposedly being there, because the reporter who put the story out based his story off what another reporter told him, not checking that story out himself?

Well, read the report yourself... Marc Ambinder (March 17, 2008) - Kristol Fails To Check His Sources, And So Bungles Key Fact In Anti-Obama Column

On that link, there's several other links to other sources checking out the claims made in the original release, and their conclusions as well as to Obama being in Miami that day, not attending Wright's 'God D**n America' sermon as was previously reported.

And from the correct story, here's exactly where Obama was that supposed day. Barack Obama at La Raza Convention in Miami, FL 07-22-07 - AOL Video

Since this last story came out, one of the papers who reported the original story, is said to have retracted their mistake. Unfortunately, I've yet to find a retraction in either NewsMax or NYT to verify it...Although I'd hope that they had.

And the conspiracists types are also trying to spin a story about this story as well...Saying in essance, he was at both simutaneously. LOL!

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It's a contradiction in the sense of his attempt to "distance" himself from "knowledge" of Rev.Wright's racist and anti American rhetoric! Obama was well aware of Wright's appalling rhetoric,he listened to it on many occasions for two decades.He had ample opportunity to go to Wright and register his disapproval as he had Wright's ear! Obama pawns himself off as a person who wants to bridge the racial divide but how can this be? Don't get me wrong,I defended Obama time and time again in this forum.I can no longer defend or explain his silence over the years other than to say that many black candidates use black churches to build a base of power. They may well be followers of Christ but not "comfortable" with "all" of the teachings of Christ.Forgivness is "part" of the Masters teaching. No,it is not easy to forgive anymore than it's easy to "willingly" accept the cross as Jesus did!

Tomorrow is Good Friday,I hope we can all keep in mind the sacrifice made on our part. We did not deserve this sacrifice but Christ proved that only love can conquer hate!

In a sense,I can understand the bitterness of black America. The wounds of slavery will take time to heal. Maybe I expected too much from Obama,for a brief time,I too began to see the mountain top! Sadly..we may still have decades to go before we finally get there.

Black anger is well justified but we need to find a way to move on. Holding one's silence when racial rhetoric is commonplace within any church community is not the way,it amounts to anger reinforcement and not real change!

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I'm sorry Spencer, but your claim is incorrect.

When this story first broke out, Obama made it clear he knew about and disagreed with some things Wright has said both in private and on the pulpit...But he's equally said that he wasn't there at that time in the VIDEO, so he was unaware of those specific comments made by Wright because he'd not heard Wright say those things himself either on the pulpit or to him personally.

Again, your adding into what was said, your own version rather then what was actually said.

Which isnt uncommon at all...It's a human fault.

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I'm sorry you missed this..

Me thinks that perhaps,just perhaps,there is a little political double speek going on here.. That is what I find a little troubling. Let's say he heard "some" of the rhetoric but not all of it. Ok..I will give him a free pass on on that probability. That said..why did he not leave that congregation when Rev Wright continued his racist anti American rhetoric???? I think we all know the real "answer" to that but I won't go there again,I don't want to be "divisive" so I will let it go for now.

In conclusion,a lot of people are in denial over this but like you say..they are only human!

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We listened to the speech and it was good. But some of his campaign speeches have been great too. The man is a first class orator. But remember so was Abraham Lincoln's opponent-whats-his-name? Oh, yeah, Douglas.
Who but a mixed person (I think we're all mixed, but I mean REALLY mixed) could address racial problems and ask for healing?
I don't know if he'll become president, but Barack Hussein Obama has added much to our history and our hope.

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Obama is indeed a good orator and I once saw hope in him but his choice of maintaining membership in a racist,anti-American congregation for 20 years is at best troubling and at worst,confounding! Perhaps Obama maintains his membership in that church "to help heal the racial divide" but it took him 20 years to denounce Wright's rhetoric and he did so because he is now running for President.Quoting another of Obama's brothers.. "The chickens have come home to roost",this is now true for Obama! He has deployed "unusual" and "delayed" tactics in his desire to heal the racial divide but time will tell.I'm sorry,I just don't understand how he maintained his membership for two decades in a church that he has profound differences with. Oh yeah,that's right,Jesus was black and the white man killed him. Well..it's a free country and come November,we will exercise yet another of those freedoms...

May the best Man or Women win!.



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ts funny because I didn't support Obama. I kept wondering wheres the beef so to speak. But he is slowly bringing me over to his point of view. Like I said before. I have friends who say racist stuff from time to time. Some are even family members. They are not vicious about it. Its usually just stupid remarks. Although I have told people that I know that I don't appreciate that kind of talk. I don't disown them. My uncle is a big influence in my life. But he has used the n word many times. I still love the guy. And I will still support him. So what does that make me. Its time to get real and I think Obama has been on this issue....

Richardson endorses Obama - Barack Obama News - MSNBC.com


Endorsements galore. But can he win in the general?

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