Funny, but most people believe their church and pastor are family. So, the relationship would be much the same between Wright and Obama. As one's pastor is in a 'father role' for the congregation and the congregation is the pastor's 'children of faith' he 'parents' over.

And we do know that not all 'parents' say/do the right thing or that their 'children' agree with their 'parents' on everything. But the parent/child relationship and care for one another is in most cases a constant even then.

LOL! Considering I love my family that means I accept them for not only the good in them, but also have to put up with the quirks I find distasteful as well. And when they say something I don't like, I let them know. As they have no problems telling me what they don't like about my life/habits...

Which is one can safely assume is also the case with Wright and Obama...I'm sure he shakes his head when Wright says something he disagrees with, as well as let's Wright know he disagrees, just like my family and I do with one another...

But your whole argument is assuming that just because two people don't share the same ideals, then they should be avoiding one another completely. Rather then finding a common ground they can agree on and get along with one another outside of what they do disagree on? ROTFLMAOL!!!

Actually, I'd say that you were the one that wasn't smart enough, if you were incapable of finding a common ground with someone you disagree with that can preserve a friendship or family relationship...Otherwise, you'd be a pretty lonely person if you avoided or threw away everyone that didn't see things eye-to-eye with you on everything...

In this case, Obama and Wright do have common grounds that they can share and preserve thier friendship...Their love of Christianity, the love of African Americanism, the support of LGBT rights...So why should they stop being friends or completely disassociate themselves from one another because of the areas they do disagree with?

Both though both have agreed that Wright shouldn't be a part of his campaign because of people like you that don't judge people on their individual merits, but on implied association to determine what someone else may/may not agree with.

But even then, your type isn't satisfied with that...You feel that either Wright should lose all his rights as an American to live, express his opinion, or support who he will otherwise you still try to label Obama by if Wright believes it then Obama HAS to believe it too' association?

Actually no I wouldn't disassociate myself from a person on the sole basis of them being predjudice. I'd argue in disagreement with them with no problem, but I wouldn't throw them to the curb based on thier opinion and mine differing. I've maintained friendships as well for years with people that are discriminatory about other races, religions, etc...But I tend to focus on what I can agree with them on, not what I disagree with them on...Because I always remember that people are people and we're not all perfect or share the same thoughts.

Look at FX...I deffinately do not like his anti-homosexual opinions...But unless he's outright rude to me on a personal level, I do talk to him as well as we do agree on other issues such as guns, healthcare, etc...I'd have no problems being his friend...We'd argue till one of our heads exploded over SSM, but we'd also share some great laughs and agreeing over other issues as well...

Why throw away the good parts over some bad parts?

Just like I'm a neat freak...But I still have family/friends that are slobs and I still visit/have them over despite the fact they're slobs...

Actually some of my family members I did choose.

No, he choose the church that his pastor happened to be head of at the time...And the positive message that Wright was giving that day, went to helping in that choosing. And 20+ years ago, I'm sure that Wright wasn't talking about 9-11 or Fahhkner, because those issues didn't come up till AFTER 9-11 and are only Wright's CURRENT thoughts, not his thoughts at the time Obama joined his church cause those instances didn't exsist then.

But I'm sure that like me, Obama also is mature and knowledgeable enough to realize that him and his pastor wouldn't always agree on everything all the time...And like me, he isn't going to throw the church he's become part of away just cause there's some issues they don't see eye-to-eye on.

No, it shows that Wright has his own opinions about things only. And that trying to say that Wright's opinions are Obama's opinions is false and misleading on your part redd. You're trying to combine 2 individuals into one person...And both have the right to have thier own disagreeing opinions yet remain friends and not have it reflect badly on either one of them.

And Obama choosing Wright's words for the title on his book shows only that one one thing Wright said, he did agree on or that those words ment something even more to him then just what Wright had said in that context...

I use quotes by people all the time, because a particular quote speaks to me about something I might be feeling/experiencing...But using that quote doesn't mean that everything that the person that said it has to mean something to me or that I share the opinon of everything that person utters...

So why is it one quote by Wright now has to mean in your mind, that everything Wright believes, feels, or says must be supported/held true to Obama? Cause deep down you know that doesn't have to be true, you just want to mislead people into thinking that it should instead...You want to read more into something someone said and attach it to another person in order to fear monger and mislead...

Afterall, as an American, Wright has the right to disagree with his goverment, the goverment's actions, as well as current topics of today without having to conform to yours, mine, or even Obama's perspective.

Guess next you'll be calling me anti-American, or holding anti-American sentiments since I happen to agree that it was our own goverment's previous actions that helped to bring on the actions of 9-11? Because our goverment isn't totally blameless in what occurred that day. If we'd done things differently early on in the ME, as well as did things differently right here at home, it may not have happened...Or at least the fatalities wouldn't have been so high.

BUT as Americans we've made it a habit to stick our noses in affairs one time too many, as well not leave once we wore our welcomes out. Not to mention, we were so cocky that no one would dare attack us on our own turf, that we ignored the information that was telling us that we were going to have to face it on our own turf...

LOL! Well, I speak of friends and family of mine with high praise too that are discriminatory...They're loyal, brutally honest about their feelings, great artists, cooks, fishers, well read, hard workers, generous, etc...They're not very tolerant about some people or groups but otherwise they're fantastic people when you move beyond those faults...

And from what Obama has said about Wright, has been in that same context I just gave about my family/friends that are discriminatory.

So why ever would I fault someone that can find the good in someone else to speak highly about, when I'm capable of doing the same myself? ROTFLMAOL!

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No, I'm talking about the organization that your BLOG is talking about. Hence the links directly from Obama's site with the original listing of the board committee, as well as the original 'letter' that your blog is supposedly quoting...

Again, the organization is a SUPPORT group made up of several groups who want Obama elected as president.

And it isn't Wright's group either. He's simply a MEMBER of the Chicago chapter.

And your source is a blog that 're-edited' the list of people...As well as the letter from what I'm reading...Ohhhhh, someone else's opinion that just happens to want to be misleading about the Wright/Obama campaign connection...

I'm showing you exactly what that group is, that is supposedly 'connected to Obama' and is supposedly showing Wright as 'part of Obama's campaign'. As both links are from Obama's campaign site showing his supporters and the efforts they are going to for him...

The same organization, with the actual leaders of that organization, that Wright happens to agree with and be a member of...And coincidencially happens to be an viewpoint that Obama also supports....And is accepting their support and giving them space time.

And like you proved for me with your last comment there:
BINGO! You finally got what I was saying about Wright's membership to that organization and it's not being a part of Obama's campaign finally...

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I prefer to look on the brighter side. If reporters had to listen to these tapes to find something they could stab Obama with, at least they probably got to hear a little gospel. Maybe even some prophecy.

No. I don't hold with those who would try to break a man through his own church.

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The Rev. Jeremiah Wright's remarks are indeed disturbing. It is not an unknown embarrassment to "many" politicians when clergy supports them even though the candidate does not endorse said remarks! Obama has stated that Wright is like an Uncle to him.I would like to see Obama make his objection even more clear but I believe he has already disassociated himself.Should he condemn Wright and end his friendship with him? No more than a famous candidate from "another" party should openly condemn Pastor John Hagee and the remarks he has made! It's difficult to control the rhetoric of one's supporters.Is saying he does not always agree with Wright enough for everyone? Perhaps not,it's possible that no matter what Obama does or fails to do will be enough for some people so why destroy a friendship over people who would never have considered voting for him in the first place? He does not agree with Wright's remarks but I'm sure he will be forced to use stronger language in his denouncement and still not pick up the votes of his enemies.Sometimes...you just cant win..

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Update:Friday,March 14th

Obama rejects comments

The firestorm was addressed by the candidate Friday afternoon in a posting under his name on the Huffington Post Web site.

“The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation,” Obama wrote, adding that over the years, “Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life.


“In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.”

Obama wrote that he had known of similar statements by Wright over the years, which he strongly condemned. He wrote that he chose to remain in the church because “Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community.”

Obama struggles to downplay fiery minister - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com

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"I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy," Obama wrote on the liberal Web site Huffingtonpost.com about recently surfaced sermons from the Rev. Jeremiah Wright — Obama's longtime pastor.

"I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies," he added. "I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."

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Good enough for me,we cannot control who supports us but we can condemn the comments.

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Now that I've been trounced as being a liar and repeatedly told that Wright isn't part of Obama's campaign, I hope for a response here...

from msnbc...

Controversial minister leaves Obama campaign

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Interesting read...

1. I didn't call you a liar...I said you were MISLEADING...

2. Reading the article, note it says: Or how about this quote that addresses exactly what the group is?
On otherwords, it isn't saying that it's the campaign...But one of the committees attached to the campaign.

Which is exactly what I've been trying to explain to you since the beginning...And the fact that Obama's campaign pressured (along with help from the media and people like you) one of their support groups to get Wright to leave is a bloody shame in my opinion. Obama's campaign really doesn't have the right to tell the groups that support them, who they can have as a member or not, just as the public shouldn't have the right to pressure them to make such a request of Obama's campaign towards one of their support groups.

The spiritual advisory composed of ministers, preachers, pastors, and clergy nation wide are not the campaign itself...But is one of the committees attached to the campaign in support of Obama. And they've made it abundantly clear that they are SUPPORTERS of Obama for President, which I've also pointed out to you.

The news is doing like you...Combining the two into one enity...When they're not. The article itself makes it clear that the Obama campaign was asking one of it's support groups to dismiss someone...Or pressuring the person they want gone to leave on their own accord...But because the committee has attached itself to the Obama campaign in order to get Obama elected, it's being misconstrued as something it's not and not leaving any choice in the matter to the support group or Obama's campaign in regards to that support group.

And the sad part is, because of this misrepresentation that's being clung onto by those like yourself, I'm not surprised in the least that Wright has left it and was asked to leave by Obama's campaign.

Goodness forbid that the Teamsters doesn't say anything offensive that the press and ya'll latch onto...Because just last week they became one of the committees to attach their banner to the Obama campaign as well.

Guess the press will be digging out information about Hoffa and revive him from the grave to reprosecute him all over again through the press as being represenative of what Obama may/may not believe in...

But I'm sure that will have to wait till after Obama's LGBT committee (another Obama support committee that attached itself to Obama's campaign, then had the audacity to also attach itself to the spiritual advisory campaign to create another 3rd campaigns) also gets fully roasted over the media flames first.

But it isn't the first time the media has blurred the lines in this campaign, and that those strigently opposed to Obama haven't swallowed it up hook, line, and sinker without fully understanding what 'advisory committe' and 'we are SUPPORTERS of' actually means.

I remember how ya'll threw a tizzy over a picture of Che Guevara in a room, thinking that that supposedly represented Obama's campaign too because some Obama supporters (but not really campaign officials/personelle) had it up?

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You're really going out of your way to whitewash this AP...

There's no logic that Wright was an inspiration to Obama except for those parts where Wright was a American & white hate-spewing race-baiter...

There's no logic that Obama has contributed over $22,000 to Wright's church, had the pastor marry him and baptize his children, been to the sermons on a regular basis and used his words as the title of the book, but was somehow totally clueless to what Wright was saying...

You think this is truth?...



If you believe that, I have some beachfront property in Nebraka cheap...

I got something for you to chew on AP (and everybody else)...

Obama says he was against the war from the onset...That I don't disagree with...

But You, I, and everyone else are gonna HAVE to answer this question in our own minds (because obviously, Obama won't ever say it)...

Did he oppose the war because he genuinely thought that getting rid of Saddam was the wrong place at the wrong time?....

Or did he oppose the war because he believes the words of his "inspirational" pastor (and his wife) that America is "downright mean" and are "oppressors" and this country is the "US of KKKA"?...If that's the case, then Obama will lead the charge to destroy this coutry from the inside...

You're not gonna sit there and tell me that 20 years of "inspiration" was everything NOT counting "the bad stuff"...

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I believe Rev. Wright is a racist,his sermons make this very clear! I also have no doubt in my mind that Obama is more than a little "aware" of Wright's racism. That said...Obama is in church to worship Christ not the Rev.Wright.I believe Obama does not always subscribe to "everything" Wright believes in.Am I concerned with Obama's affiliation with the Rev Wright? You bet I'm concerned but I would like to believe that Obama and his family are more devoted to the word of the Lord than Wright's racist positions.

As to this final point,like all of us,only Obama will have to answer for his personal beliefs.I would not rule out voting for McCain simply because Rev Hagee "A Notorious Catholic Basher" endorses him.In my view,Obama has made every attempt to distance himself from Rev. Wright who is retiring soon.If Obama denounced him further by leaving his church,how many votes from the "other" side would he gain? ANSWER: ZERO...

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ROTFLMAOL!!! I'm not whitewashing a thing there redd. The fact that you don't like what I pointed out doesn't make it a whitewash either...

Put it this way...I like you. I respect you. And I read everything you post about as well...As well as your board I'm a proud member of and I love to attend and participate in.

And there's a great deal of what you say that I don't personally like or agree with...And I have no problems telling you that what you say I disagree with/dislike either....Just as those who agree with you from this board, also do so because what you said they share that opinion with you as well...

But should I completely distance myself from you or this board, because what you may say and others here may agree with, are distateful or goes against my own beliefs? If I suddenly was offered a position elsewhere where your opinion and your site might possibly reflect badly on me in their eyes, should I have to tell you to change your opinion, stifle your opinion, or distance myself from you even though your opinions aren't mine?

Sorry but I personally think that would be unfair to you, me, and this site...I shouldn't have to leave a group I enjoying debating with because someone else outside of this board thought ya'll were a bunch of crack-pots or worse.

I could understand not accepting your assistance say if I needed a donation to get my position secured...I could even agree to the need to say hey, his opinion isn't right and it isn't my opinion...But to completely force you out, or cut off my right to participate in this site and in subjects we do agree on would be unfair and simply wrong...

Because people are people, entitled to their own opinions no matter who they are, and other people are free to disagree with those opinions but not have to totally disassociate themselves from the agreeable parts that both sides can come together in.

Your whole assumption in the situation regarding Wright and Obama is that either Obama has to agree with the man, or completely disassociate himself from even the parts they can come together on.

I've no doubt that at some time Obama heard Wright's opposing opinions...If not at church, elsewhere...But if it's anything like when you go on one of your anti-Muslim tirades? It goes in one ear, out the other and no attention paid to it what-so-ever...

In otherwords, the objectionable portions are mentally tuned out cause it's a waste of effort to object verbally and just more fruitful to shake one's head in laughter at such rhetoric and meaninglessness and save any worthwhile effort of refutting that type of hatred in a moment when it can be addressed in a more reasonable, rational state of mind....

Just as I'm not guilty by association in your anti-Muslim thoughts, I have no problems understanding that Obama is equally not guilty by association...Because even though you're my friend, what comes out of your mouth/keyboard about Muslims in general is off-base as much as what Wright has said about whites in general.

And as I've stated before, I happen to agree to an great extent, about the situatition regarding 9-11 that Wright stated...Not quite in the way he stated it...But he was right in my opinion on one point...Our goverment does have a great deal of responsibility for what happend on 9-11. I just don't agree with the portion that 'God' has da**ed America...I think our goverment did that well enough on their own. Hopefully it can pull it's head out of it's bumm and remedy that problem by not repeating the mistakes it's made in the past...

Not that I'm holding my breath for it to happen...Cause our goverment seems at times incapable of learning from it's past mistakes in the first place.

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