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cnredd 03-13-2008 01:07 PM

Phila. Probing Advocacy Group's Voter Registrations
 
Phila. Probing Advocacy Group's Voter Registrations

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Philadelphia elections officials are accusing the nonprofit advocacy group "Acorn" of filing fraudulent voter registrations in advance of the April 22nd Pennsylvania primary.

Acorn, which advocates on behalf of low-income residents in the city, has mounted a voter registration drive in the past few months. But city election commissioners are complaining that many of the submitted registrations appear to be faulty, and they have forwarded the matter to the district attorney's office for further investigation.

Krista Holub, Acorn's political director in Pennsylvania, promised the elections officials that her group will cooperate:

"We're very committed to helping low- to moderate-income people across the state get registered to vote. And we're here to work closely with the board of elections to make sure that everyone we're helping to apply gets on the rolls."

The city officials say many of the addresses listed on the registrations are invalid, but Acorn blames the post office for not adequately servicing low-income communities.
They blamed the post office?!?!...:mad

A little detail on Acorn...They're an acivist group pretending to do voter registration under the guise of helping the poor...What they really do is push agendas and try to increase the Democratic voter rolls through fraud...

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On September 7, 2004, a Columbus, Ohio grand jury indicted ACORN employee and felony parolee Kevin Eugene Dooley for election fraud. The indictment charges Dooley forged a signature to a voter registration form.

During the 2004 election, Mac Stuart was working as a coordinator for minority voter outreach for ACORN's voter registration effort in Miami-Dade County. Stuart reported seeing ACORN workers copying voter registration form, which is illegal under Florida law, and segregating voter registration forms for Republicans that were not subsequently turned into the County. After Stuart reported these irregularities to the election officials, ACORN fired him. Stuart filed suit against ACORN in May, 2005 for wrongful termination. ACORN countersued for defamation. Stuart's lawsuit was dismissed on the grounds that he couldn't prove he was terminated for reporting the allegations of fraud to the authorities.

In August 2004 a lawsuit was filed in Albuquerque alleging that New Mexico Secretary of State Rebecca Vigil-Giron improperly exempted individuals who registered to vote through canvassers from requirements that some new registrants submit ID at polling places. In a court case, ACORN director Matt Henderson invoked his Fifth Amendment rights when asked if his group made illegal copies of voter registration cards before submitting them. The Albuquerque Tribune claims he told them this was done.

In January 2005 two ex-ACORN workers were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations. Some other investigations responding to fraud allegations ended in Colorado, Wisconsin, ACORN said in a press release that it is in large part responsible in these individuals being caught, and has cooperated and publicly supported efforts to look into the validity of the allegations.

ACORN was investigated in 2006 for submitting false voter registrations in St. Louis, Missouri. 1,492 fraudulent voter registrations were identified, some from the dead and others for underage voters who were not aware they had been registered by ACORN.

ACORN was investigated in 2007 by King County, Washington for filing false registrations. An elections department employee called 400 phone numbers that were provided on the cards from a sample of those turned in by ACORN. Of the 400 phone numbers, only two were good, and both people denied filling out voter registration cards. The registrations were turned in after the deadline to register and the registrations were not processed for the 2006 election. On July 26, 2007, felony charges were filed against seven ACORN employees including supervisors for filing 1762 false registrations.
Now you know why Democrats are against voter IDs...They'd lose thousands of votes from people that don't exist...:(

Spencer Collins 03-14-2008 01:12 AM

Re: Phila. Probing Advocacy Group's Voter Registrations
 
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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 19669)
Now you know why Democrats are against voter IDs...They'd lose thousands of votes from people that don't exist...:(

Exactly...here in Michigan you would not believe the "excuses" that were put forth! Voters don't want to be hassled,the photo's cost would be a hardship.Requiring voter ID violates free speech. Fortunately..this November will be the first election where photo ID will be required and I'm all for it..:cool

cnredd 03-14-2008 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins (Post 19756)
Exactly...here in Michigan you would not believe the "excuses" that were put forth! Voters don't want to be hassled,the photo's cost would be a hardship.Requiring voter ID violates free speech. Fortunately..this November will be the first election where photo ID will be required and I'm all for it..:cool

I'd like to see the results of the election and do a comparison with previous ones...

Spencer Collins 03-14-2008 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 19760)
I'd like to see the results of the election and do a comparison with previous ones...

Yup..we are listed as a blue state but now and then we go red.At least now we will know "who" is voting...:thumbsup

cnredd 03-14-2008 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins (Post 19763)
Yup..we are listed as a blue state but now and then we go red.At least now we will know "who" is voting...:thumbsup

And sadly, if I were to ask "and isn't that what matters?", there's a segment that will say "No!"...:(

Spencer Collins 03-14-2008 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 19764)
And sadly, if I were to ask "and isn't that what matters?", there's a segment that will say "No!"...:(

I'm "suspicious" of anyone who believes a voter should not have to identify himself..:cool

cnredd 03-14-2008 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins (Post 19765)
I'm "suspicious" of anyone who believes a voter should not have to identify himself..:cool

I'm passed "suspicion" and have gone straight to "you're up to no good."...

Spencer Collins 03-16-2008 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 19766)
I'm passed "suspicion" and have gone straight to "you're up to no good."...

I can't see why anyone would object to voter ID..:(

AlicornsPrayer 03-16-2008 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 19669)
Phila. Probing Advocacy Group's Voter Registrations

They blamed the post office?!?!...:mad

A little detail on Acorn...They're an acivist group pretending to do voter registration under the guise of helping the poor...What they really do is push agendas and try to increase the Democratic voter rolls through fraud...

Now you know why Democrats are against voter IDs...They'd lose thousands of votes from people that don't exist...:(

Rather then slap all Democrats with the label, be honest and just label the individual group(s) that are against voter registration?

Cause I know here in Illinois, every Democrat that votes is proud to show you their voter registration...And they even make sure to go door-to-door and, make phone calls to inform other possible voters (dem and rep alike) where to get their registration cards and help get their registration cards by driving them to the registration points in our district.

SOME people are against voter registration, democrat and republican alike...But to say that all of either, when it's usually only a small number on either side, is unfair and misleading to say the least.

cnredd 03-16-2008 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer (Post 19897)
Rather then slap all Democrats with the label, be honest and just label the individual group(s) that are against voter registration?

Cause I know here in Illinois, every Democrat that votes is proud to show you their voter registration...And they even make sure to go door-to-door and, make phone calls to inform other possible voters (dem and rep alike) where to get their registration cards and help get their registration cards by driving them to the registration points in our district.

SOME people are against voter registration, democrat and republican alike...But to say that all of either, when it's usually only a small number on either side, is unfair and misleading to say the least.

It's far from misleading...It's an incrediblt fair generalization, just as if I were to say Democrats want health reform and Republicans don't...That doesn't mean EVERY Democrat and EVERY Republican, but you know exactly what I meant without having to get too technical...

In Indiana...

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Indiana's law is also being challenged, by the Indiana Democratic Party and the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union; the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit has indicated it will not decide before Election Day whether to uphold a lower-court ruling that it is constitutional.

Indiana's secretary of state, Todd Rokita, a Republican who made photo IDs part of his platform when he ran for the office, said photo IDs give "a measure of integrity" to an election system that had been continually expanding access to voting since the mid-1960s.
In Georgia...

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Proponents said the measure was needed to combat voter fraud, but opponents charged that Republicans were trying to keep black voters, who tend to vote Democratic, away from the polls.
I could do this for every state with legislation on this, but you get the point...I CAN'T FIND a Democrat-backjed voter ID law...EVERY ONE I saw was Republican backed and Democratic opposed...

In a nutshell...

Partisan Fissures Over Voter ID

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The Supreme Court will open the new year with its most politically divisive case since Bush v. Gore decided the 2000 presidential election, and its decision could force a major reinterpretation of the rules of the 2008 contest.

The case presents what seems to be a straightforward and even unremarkable question: Does a state requirement that voters show a specific kind of photo identification before casting a ballot violate the Constitution?

The answer so far has depended greatly on whether you are a Democratic or Republican politician -- or even, some believe, judge.

"It is exceedingly difficult to maneuver in today's America without a photo ID (try flying, or even entering a tall building such as the courthouse in which we sit, without one)," Circuit Judge Richard A. Posner, a Ronald Reagan appointee, wrote in deciding that Indiana's strictest-in-the-nation law is not burdensome enough to violate constitutional protections.

His colleague on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, Bill Clinton appointee Terence T. Evans, was equally frank in dissent. "Let's not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID law is a not-too-thinly veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic," Evans wrote.

For justices still hearing from the public about their role in the 2000 election -- "It's water over the deck; get over it," Justice Antonin Scalia impatiently told a questioner at a college forum this year -- the partisan implications of the issue are hard to miss.

The case has pitted Democrats against Republicans, conservative legal foundations against liberal ones, civil rights organizations against the Bush administration.

"Voter ID laws have become the most politicized" of governments' efforts to try to limit fraud and voting irregularities, said Richard L. Hasen, an election-law expert at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, who filed a brief supporting the law's challengers. "It's in the nation's best interest for the court to resolve it."

Hasen is one of those who point out that the partisan division on voter ID laws often extends to the judiciary. Not only did the 7th Circuit's 2 to 1 vote to uphold Indiana's law break down along the lines of which party nominated the judges; so, with one exception, did the full court's decision not to reconsider the ruling. Michigan's Supreme Court justices -- who are elected in partisan races -- upheld that state's voter ID law, with the five Republicans voting to support it and the two Democrats opposing it.

Hasen does not believe that the decisions reflect a desire to aid one political party over another, but rather a philosophical divide on the question of whether protecting the integrity of the voting process from fraud is of equal or greater value than making sure as many eligible voters as possible take part in the process.


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