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Well to quote Ann's latest book....."If Democrats Had Brains, They Would be Republicans"
She's a regular Mark Twain. Geeeez.

If democrats didn't care if their government was data mining their private papers they would be republicans.

The new republican motto. "You can have my rights, just keep me safe"

Wow I should write a book. Move over adams apple annie. Mikeys in town.
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And as for your second statement, you're so full of it.
Have you seen the statistics on how the income of the CEOs and other upper management has risen DISPROPORTIONATELY to the income of the workers in the company?
Have you seen some of the compensation packages for CEOs and upper management in case they get laid off or fired?

Yup they do this at gunpoint and the OWNERS of the corporation have absolutely NO CONTROL. Again I ask you to look at the retirement compensation for elected representatives and government employees where in FACT we the people have no control over what they have voted into existence AND we the people do have to pay for it at gunpoint along with the increased cost of anything a corporation produces because of the taxes that they have to pay.
Have you ever turned down a raise or a bonus or never asked for a benefit? If the owner(s) of a business wish to pay they are allowed to pay whatever they want to get whatever they want and we the people have NO RIGHT to attempt to limit whatever CONTRACT that the two entities wish to enter upon.


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You frequently start spewing stuff that just makes no cogent connection to the actual issue at hand.

I know you are; but, what am I?

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1) If you're insinuating that the "working class" gets its "work" from the "rich", then I guess you'll have to sign me up as one slave who wants off the plantation.
The whole idea that presents is repugnant. An idea that the RICH and NOT the average American is the one who is consuming the goods that we the American public create?
Quite frankly, that's more an argument FOR ME in demonstrating that the rich are consuming more than their fair share.

Sign up enslaved one._______________.
Can you name the job furnished by the poor? Can you name the product to be sold produced by the poor? That whole idea of "work" is just so repugnant. But how did this switch to "who consumes?" Have you ever learned ANYTHING about business or capitalism and since when are the hard working business owners not part of the "American Public". And those very words "fair share" are fundamentals of socialism and communism. By the way who gets to determine when you must STOP working because you have already EARNED your "fair share"?


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2) "MOST 'rich' people DO work as hard or more".
Again, you lack the intelligence to see the situation for what it is.
I work hard, and pull down $X.
A rich person, working just as hard, pulls down 10x $X.
Do you see something a little disproportionate there???

Yes absolutely. The TYPE of work the person CHOSE to do. Yes it is the culmination of a great many choices, and I am not saying that the wealthy families do not have an advantage or do not have it easier but at the same time NOBODY can stop you from achieving. Or are you gonna pretend that a doctor with 24 years of education be paid the same as the person that dropped out of school and empties the bed pans?

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3) #1 vehicle for millionaires is a pick-up truck.
Kindly prove that, and also prove HOW MANY they buy.
Cause I'd love to turn around and compare that to HOW MANY are ACTUALLY SOLD, and show you that MOST pick-up trucks in this country are NOT bought by the rich, but by the average working man.

But of course, you're ALLL READY to kiss the ass of the rich man for buying his truck or two or three, and the average man who buys hundreds more can just kiss your ass cause you don't give a damn...

May I suggest to you that you should read a well researched and documented book entitled "The Millionaire Next Door" by a couple of PHD's named Stanley and Danko. Here's a shortened version for you http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s...llionaire.html


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I think part of the problem you can't seem to wrap your head around is that Paris lost her inheritance because of drunk driving.
She NEVER EARNED it in the first place.
She would STILL HAVE IT if she hadn't driven drunk.

She only lost what she never earned through gross debauchery, and you want to kiss her ass if she drives a pick-up.

so what does a person do to "EARN" an inheritance. What does the government do to be able to TAKE it? Did you get to keep anything from your dead relatives?
Must I send you a photo of Paris driving a pickup or didn't you watch her on "The Simple Life"?
Do you really think that a judge took away her inheritance for drunk driving and debauchery?
(note: these are rhetorical questions, no reply necessary)


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I'll take that as non-responsive to my point.
My stats which you want to ignore demonstrates a CLEAR LINK to the rich donating to charity for the purposes of TAX BREAKS.

You have NO freakin' clue how much the rich donate, AS COMPARED TO THEIR ACTUAL INCOME, but you want to kiss their ass cause they put down money to avoid paying taxes.

Your "clear link" is so muddied with hatred and spitefulness that it is totally opaque. Who deems to imply "motives" of anyone because on this subject especially only GOD could possibly determine the "true" intent of a person.

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Yet another example of how you start throwing in COMPLETELY irrelevant statements into the mix.

Yes it is so "wrong" of me to put any form of a side note into my conversation......Should I apologize?.......Are you holding your breath?

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Oh. I have no doubts as to your criticism of socialized medicine.
My point was to WHY you are bringing it up on a discussion about DISPROPORTIONATE WEALTH.

Here we are. Busily talking about apples.
And suddenly you start talking oranges.


Damn.....and I thought we were discussing the FACT that YOU had no "right to vote" in a federal election.


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Percentage wise......NOT THE RICH.
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Prove it.

Prove smove. Prove I'm not correct! (You haven't ever in many tries)
I'll wait right here....................Still waiting...............OOOPs, fell asleep........still waiting......OK here's some numbers for you to digest. The lowest tax rate was 0 it remained so and the upper limit of the zero tax rate was increased meaning more people of an even higher low income paid ZERO. Next group up the scale was paying 15%, this rate was cut to 10% a whopping 33% DECREASE. The next higher group's(is this the middle income group?) rate was 28%, it was decreased to 15%, an even whoppier 40% DECREASE. Ok so now we'll move a little more upscale to find that the 31% rate was cut to 25% a piddly 20% decrease and finally that 36-39.6 rate was cut to 33% an even piddlier 15% decrease. Got indigestion yet? I know how you and facts just don't get along. That pink stuff works pretty good


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There you go again.
TRYING TO SHIFT THE SUBJECT.
I'm not talking about corporations.
I am talking about INDIVIDUALS.

Darn this time I was talking about WHO pays the most in taxes and giving you some facts that you had NO CONCEPT of. But you're right we are discussing your not having a right to vote in federal elections and corporations do NOT get to vote on anything in any jurisdiction.


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I guess you just can't get through a WHOLE sentence without your emotions over riding your brain. There is a second half to that sentence.
Here you need to ramble on and bring out some scarecrows.....Oh you are....sorry.
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What "scarecrow"?
The article EXPLICITLY complained about a lack of a RIGHT to vote.
Didn't you read your own damn article?

Darn it man!......Still didn't catch it huh?
THERE IS A SECOND HALF TO THE SENTENCE
a little phrase about federal election that is almost invisible because I typed it in a smaller font.



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Do you always resort to name-calling and changing the subject when you can't face the arguments at hand?

SILLY LIBERAL
It is such a brutally descriptive statement. And just plain mean. Wait for the apology. Meanwhile lets discuss how stupid the first president to have a MASTERS degree is and why he only earned two, one from Harvard and one from Yale.
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She's a regular Mark Twain. Geeeez.

If democrats didn't care if their government was data mining their private papers they would be republicans.

The new republican motto. "You can have my rights, just keep me safe"

Wow I should write a book. Move over adams apple annie. Mikeys in town.
Most of the problems with your statements are just simple lack of facts and fondness for democratic hyperbole.
Somehow the facetious argument about "wiretapping" has now become "private papers" and the fact that you have been "safe" for nearly 7 years and can't give a specific instance of ANYONE specific that lost a "right" just doesn't penetrate into your stream of reality.
And she has more kahunas too. With the facts to back her up.
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I think Adept1 made a ffew good points, although wrapped up in republican wrapping paper.

Everyone does get their jobs from the rich, like it or not. The homeless guy I gave a sandwich to today, did not give me my job. Lower class people may consume the product, but without the upper class the product would not be there for me to distribute.

I think that rich people are the primary buyers of pickup trucks, which is why more and more come with all the bells and whistles that sedans come with... working class guys will never buy the truck with leather seats and tush warmers... or a navigation system, or DVD player... not as a "work truck"... this is why the Escalade/Avalanch are the best selling truck bodies in America.

The people who give the most to charity are rich. Now, they may not give the largest percentage of their income, but reality says that their $1000 donation(even if only a small amount of their wealth) is worth more than my $50 donation(even if it means I walk to work)

On another note, I think swallowing ANY political propaganda and labeling is just an excuse to not think. This is why I am neither republican or democrat... because the reality is I am not yet ready to swallow the bull**** that either side stuffs in with its sugar.

I also think that this symbol: is perverted
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