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Mounting Evidence Super Delegates, Not Voters Will Decide

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Paul Kane of the Washington Post does the math to show super delegates will decide the Democratic nominee.

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Ohio is not at all where Clinton could wrap things up. We’ve done a bad job of explaining this, but it is now basically mathematically impossible for either Clinton or Obama to win the nomination through the regular voting process (meaning the super-delegates decide this one, baby!).

Here’s the math. There are 3,253 pledged delegates, those doled out based on actual voting in primaries and caucuses. And you need 2,025 to win the nomination.

To date, about 55% of those 3,253 delegates have been pledged in the voting process — with Clinton and Obama roughly splitting them at about 900 delegates a piece.

That means there are now only about 1,400 delegates left up for grabs in the remaining states and territories voting.

So, do the math. If they both have about 900 pledged delegates so far, they need to win more than 1,100 of the remaining 1,400 delegates to win the nomination through actual voting.

Ain’t gonna happen, barring a stunning scandal or some new crazy revelation. So, they’ll keep fighting this thing out, each accumulating their chunk of delegates, one of them holding a slight edge and both finishing the voting process with 1,600 or so delegates.

And then the super delegates decide this thing.

That’s the math.
The 2000 election will be small potatoes if this happens...

For two reasons...

1) two of the superdelegates?...

William Jefferson Clinton and Hillary campaign advisor, former Senate leader Tom Daschle...

That's right!...Of Obama is ahead before the superdelegates are counted, there's a possiblity he will lose the nomination based on the votes from Hillary's own husband and members of her own staff...

Democracy in action!...

2) If there was some change to disallow the supers with the idea that only regular deleates from the states are to decide, Clinton will declare that didn't happen unless the DNC includes the two states (Florida & Michigan) that were being penalized by the DNC for moving their primary up against the Democrat's wishes...Hillary chose to campaign (and win) in those two states while the other candidates were loyal to the party and stayed away...She is attempting to have their delegates count toward the totals, and she could easily say that all the delegates weren't counted if those two states are denied...
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Does the phrase

"SELECTED NOT ELECTED"

finally have a TRUE meaning now?


Only the democratic logic at work again.
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There are 796 Superdelegates. Unless a majority of them are "Clinton insiders", then those two are unlikely to make much difference.
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Does the phrase

"SELECTED NOT ELECTED"

finally have a TRUE meaning now?


Only the democratic logic at work again.
Actually that is a very republican concept.
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two of the superdelegates?...

William Jefferson Clinton and Hillary campaign advisor, former Senate leader Tom Daschle...

That's right!...Of Obama is ahead before the superdelegates are counted, there's a possiblity he will lose the nomination based on the votes from Hillary's own husband and members of her own staff...

Democracy in action!...
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There are 796 Superdelegates. Unless a majority of them are "Clinton insiders", then those two are unlikely to make much difference.
Missing the point...

Whether the percentage of them making a difference is 99% or .001%, the fact that they have ANY ability to make a difference should be of great concern to the democratic process...

Just the fact that the system is set up which includes a way for a candidates's husband and campaign staff members to vote as delegates instead of the average voter should be quite disturbing...
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Does the phrase

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Actually that is a very republican concept.

A Democrat lie about republicans that is about to be TRUE about democrats.
There is NO basis in facts for the term as it is used about GW just like "mission accomplished" only the IGNORANT are fooled by them.
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This is what the government wants...

The ability to take away the peoples vote..... We the people, don't matter.....
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This is what the government wants...

The ability to take away the peoples vote..... We the people, don't matter.....
i think that's a little too conspiratorical (If that's a word)...

I think there may be segments of government that would want that, but I don't consider that as the government as a whole...or even a majority...
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i think that's a little too conspiratorical (If that's a word)...conspiratorial is the word but you must have been quoting GW

I think there may be segments of government that would want that, but I don't consider that as the government as a whole...or even a majority...
If it wasn't for the tremendous amounts of "checks and balances" in our system it would have totally crashed long ago instead of slowly falling apart as the politicians corrupt it as fast as they can.
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