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Posted on Sun, Jan. 27, 2008

Bill Clinton's running again and it's all about him
Dave Helling and Matt Stearns | McClatchy Newspapers
last updated: January 27, 2008 04:35:57 PM

COLUMBIA, S.C. Bill Clinton is running again. For what, exactly, isn't clear.

Watch: He's stalking the stage in South Carolina, as he did in New Hampshire and Iowa a microphone in one hand, a wagging finger in the air, eyes wide open, the lip strategically bitten.

Applause rings out as he ticks off his greatest hits a budget surplus, a growing stock market, more jobs, safer streets.

"Nobody's figured out how to deal with this," said Larry Sabato, the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. "The voters don't know, the press doesn't know, and frankly the Clintons don't know, either."

In a presidential election year that's notable for shattered rules, the high visibility of the former president's efforts on behalf of his wife, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, may the biggest rule-breaker of all.

He's given speeches criticizing media coverage of rival Sen. Barack Obama. In Nevada he suggested caucus rules were purposely tilted against his wife, arguing the issue with a reporter.

In South Carolina, he hinted that Obama's support was based on race. ("That's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here," he said.)

He claimed he suffered a "hit job" from the Obama campaign and that his wife had been unfairly criticized.

"When I was running, I didn't give a rip what anybody said about me," he told a rally. "But if you love somebody and think that they'd be good, it's harder."

He's campaigned alone and by her side, standing behind her or off-stage. He's argued, joked, promoted her resume, her positions, defended his own record, turned red in anger and taken shots at critics.

And just as opinions about Bill Clinton as president are deeply polarized, so are the reactions to his role as campaign surrogate-in-chief.

"He is out there for his wife," Clinton supporter James Carville said on NBC last week. "And Bill Clinton is enormously popular with the Democrats in this country. They like seeing him out there, they respond very well to him and he's going to be in the middle of this campaign."

"The former president is pathological about preserving his own place in the spotlight," liberal columnist William Greider wrote Wednesday. "He can't stand it when he is not the story, and, one way or another, he will make himself the story."

For the record, Mrs. Clinton is happy to have Mr. Clinton's help.

"Everybody needs to take a deep breath," she told CBS Friday. He "gets excited, gets really passionate about making the case for me."

It isn't altogether unusual for former presidents to take part in presidential campaigns as private citizens. Harry Truman, for example, publicly opposed John Kennedy's campaign for the Democratic nomination in 1960.

And candidates' spouses sometimes have been campaign issues: Think Nancy Reagan, Betty Ford or Hillary Clinton.

But no one has ever campaigned for a return to the White House as a spouse and former president, a situation that's angered, befuddled and concerned Democrats watching the race unfold.

"The way he goes about it, what he says, how he says it, the tone he uses, he's not the average spouse now," said Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, an Obama supporter. "We need to conduct this campaign in a way that allows us to come back together."

"I have no respect for him for the remarks that he's been making," said Bennie Bayard, a South Carolina retiree at an Obama rally there.

Clinton partisans insist he does more good than harm.

"We have seen the Obama campaign confronting Bill Clinton, attacking Bill Clinton," said Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson. "Attacking the former president, questioning his veracity, confronting him...is not what's going to bring this party together."

Others point out that Elizabeth Edwards and Michelle Obama are campaigning for their spouses, John and Barack, aggressively; at times, both spouses' words have taken on an edge of their own.

"When power is confronted with real change, they will say anything," Michelle Obama said last week, echoing a South Carolina radio ad that targets Hillary Clinton directly.

"What she's saying is she's willing to sell special access to the government. Just send a check," Elizabeth Edwards said about Hillary Clinton last fall.

But even some neutral Democrats say Bill Clinton, as a former president, should be especially careful. South Carolina Rep. James Clyburn, a key African-American power broker in the state, said last week that the former president should "chill."

Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., and Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., also reportedly have offered similar advice; so far, the Clinton campaign has agreed only occasionally.

The Democrats' worry: Bill Clinton could become the target in a Hillary Clinton general election campaign, particularly given their stormy White House years.

"Bill Clinton is a mixed blessing ... if she's the nominee, he'll become more 'mixed' than 'blessing,'" Sabato said.

Clinton fatigue will be "absolutely" a factor, he added. "Already I'm hearing more and more about 28 years of either a Bush or a Clinton on the ticket."

Republicans appear ready to make Clinton an issue.

"The idea of Bill Clinton back in the White House with nothing to do is something I just can't imagine," presidential candidate Mitt Romney said in a Florida debate Thursday.

Other Democrats worry that the former president's rhetoric will tarnish his reputation. On Thursday, Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Democrat, called Clinton's efforts "demeaning."

"I don't think we ought to get into this food fight," said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., co-chair of Hillary Clinton's Missouri campaign. "When it's over and it will be over I want President Clinton for the next 25 years to be a major political influence in this country."

But if Bill Clinton is worried about his legacy, or his immediate impact on his wife's campaign, he's shown no evidence of that.

In last week's often angry Democratic debate, Obama complained about the former president's statements.

"I'm here, he's not," Hillary Clinton snapped.

"I can't tell who I'm running against sometimes," Obama responded.

The exchange made supporters on both sides nervous.

Not Bill.

"I kind of liked seeing Barack and Hillary fight last night," Clinton told South Carolina voters. "They're real people. Neither one of them is supposed to be this wind-up doll who's supposed to behave a certain way. ...I think it's exciting."

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It's all about him...

A vote for Hillary means 4 years of this at the White House (which is unacceptable IMO)...
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I'm definitely no Hillary supporter but I do think it is highly disingenuous to force the pairing of Bill and Hillary in discussion when the same is not being done about any other candidate and his wife.
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I'm definitely no Hillary supporter but I do think it is highly disingenuous to force the pairing of Bill and Hillary in discussion when the same is not being done about any other candidate and his wife.
What?!?!..

I STRONGLY disagree...

They have been "Team Clinton" for almost two decades...There hasn't been a combo like this before...You can't come close to naming another husband/wife duo where one's actions directly result in the other's participation...

FDR and Eleanor doesn't even compare with them...
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You can't come close to naming another husband/wife duo where one's actions directly result in the other's participation...
Funny, I thought that was the very definition of marriage...
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Funny, I thought that was the very definition of marriage...
But not in the political realm as this one has been...

Big difference between the government and anything else in life...
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But not in the political realm as this one has been...

Big difference between the government and anything else in life...
Really? I find that a bit dishonest considering the lattitude the First Lady historically has for pushing some pet project or social agenda.
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Bill is far too active in Hillarys campaighn,he is a known quantity and I believe he hurts her more than he helps her.Yes..he is loved by many Democrats but his pronounced presence on the campaighn trail also reminds people of the scandals during his presidency. I'm not saying that he should not stump for her.I'm saying Bill needs to back off a little.
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Really? I find that a bit dishonest considering the lattitude the First Lady historically has for pushing some pet project or social agenda.
Becoming the President of the United States is not a "pet project" in my book...

As far as things done when a husband was president, when was the last time a First Lady tried to do something on a scale of Hillary's healthcare?...When was the last time a First Lady was doing something that had to be ultimately voted on by Congress?...When was the last time a First Lady did something that members of Congress opposed and spoke out against?...

I don't think you could name one...
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Bill is far too active in Hillarys campaighn,he is a known quantity and I believe he hurts her more than he helps her.Yes..he is loved by many Democrats but his pronounced presence on the campaighn trail also reminds people of the scandals during his presidency. I'm not saying that he should not stump for her.I'm saying Bill needs to back off a little.
I can agree that he is probably hurting her on some level. However, I can assure you that the media isn't paying as much attention to the campaigning Mrs. Obama is doing for her husband as Bill is doing for his wife. It just doesn't sell papers or get ratings.
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