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Old 05-23-2011, 04:32 PM
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While not a perfect candidate; with a tax policy history like his; I don't see the "rino" moniker being accurate.
For some folks it seems that any republican that disagrees with them one little stinking bit is a rino --- maybe the ones throwing around such names are the real rinos.
The line AFTER the bolded part is why he's a RINO...

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However, the report concluded that: "Unfortunately, Huntsman has completely dropped the ball on spending, with per capita spending increasing at about 10 percent annually during his tenure.
C'mon G-man...

It was YOU who pointed out...right here on this forum...that the whole big enchilda is SPENDING...

You did it here....and here...and here...

Hell! The last one is YOU writing a letter to the local newspaper explaining how it's all about spending!...

Don't bold all of the little good things and bypass (what you even considered many times) the greastest of all bad things...

Having an average of 10% increases during his tenure is, obviously, nowhere near Obama's 200+%, but that still doesn't make him a conservative...It makes him Democrat-lite...and that's a RINO...
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The line AFTER the bolded part is why he's a RINO...

C'mon G-man...

It was YOU who pointed out...right here on this forum...that the whole big enchilda is SPENDING...

You did it here....and here...and here...

Hell! The last one is YOU writing a letter to the local newspaper explaining how it's all about spending!...

Don't bold all of the little good things and bypass (what you even considered many times) the greastest of all bad things...

Having an average of 10% increases during his tenure is, obviously, nowhere near Obama's 200+%, but that still doesn't make him a conservative...It makes him Democrat-lite...and that's a RINO...
touché --- so in other words we throw the baby out with the bath water
I'm just saying that if you have say...10 things to determine if a candidate is conservative or liberal & he's conservative on 7, 8 or 9 out of ten & maybe liberal or moderate on 1 to 3 my calculation says he's conservative --- that's still not say I'll agree with every little thing
so I guess George W Bush was a rino...okay...if spending is the "only" measure then I guess you're right...
...& since President Obama signed the Bush tax cut extension that means he's not a liberal...oh dear he did something conservative...
the spending is the issue if the budget isn't balanced...but if the budget is balanced & the taxes are lower than they were before then I'd still say he did a good "conservative" job...so I should clarify..."it's the deficit spending"
& this isn't to say I would or wouldn't vote for a Huntsman candidacy --- it merely means I'm not writing him off because of one issue...to which if we're keeping the score that if a candidate has even one non-conservative view then they're a rino would put Herman Cain into the rino category for his support of tarp...so I guess there's no one to measure up to that kind of scrutiny so let's get ready & be happy with another four years of President Obama & we can run that "sandwich" against Biden in 2016
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touché --- so in other words we throw the baby out with the bath water
I'm just saying that if you have say...10 things to determine if a candidate is conservative or liberal & he's conservative on 7, 8 or 9 out of ten & maybe liberal or moderate on 1 to 3 my calculation says he's conservative --- that's still not say I'll agree with every little thing
so I guess George W Bush was a rino...okay...if spending is the "only" measure then I guess you're right...
Not doing everything 100% is OK...Not doing the BIGGEST thing concerning Conservatives right now is NOT...

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...& since President Obama signed the Bush tax cut extension that means he's not a liberal...oh dear he did something conservative...
the spending is the issue if the budget isn't balanced...but if the budget is balanced & the taxes are lower than they were before then I'd still say he did a good "conservative" job...so I should clarify..."it's the deficit spending"
Spending wasn't THEE issue when Bush was in office...If it was, we'd have an earlier Tea Party (not just the Ron Paul-types)...

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& this isn't to say I would or wouldn't vote for a Huntsman candidacy --- it merely means I'm not writing him off because of one issue...to which if we're keeping the score that if a candidate has even one non-conservative view then they're a rino would put Herman Cain into the rino category for his support of tarp...so I guess there's no one to measure up to that kind of scrutiny so let's get ready & be happy with another four years of President Obama & we can run that "sandwich" against Biden in 2016
The only way I'm voting for Huntsman is if he gets the nomination...and by no right should he...And he will get my vote the exact same way McCain did if he makes it to the generals...By virtue of NOT being Obama...Nothing more...
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Huntsman will be a non-starter.
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Not doing everything 100% is OK...Not doing the BIGGEST thing concerning Conservatives right now is NOT...

Spending wasn't THEE issue when Bush was in office...If it was, we'd have an earlier Tea Party (not just the Ron Paul-types)...

The only way I'm voting for Huntsman is if he gets the nomination...and by no right should he...And he will get my vote the exact same way McCain did if he makes it to the generals...By virtue of NOT being Obama...Nothing more...
then the only candidate with the record to run on would be Gary Johnson of New Mexico
cut taxes & left the state with a surplus...& he favors balancing the federal budget now...
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then the only candidate with the record to run on would be Gary Johnson of New Mexico
cut taxes & left the state with a surplus...& he favors balancing the federal budget now...
I'll have to read up on him...
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Can't happen...

Republicans have a tradition of getting congressional approval for wars they start that last longer than 60 days...
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Can't happen...

Republicans have a tradition of getting congressional approval for wars they start that last longer than 60 days...
A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation and another. For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have power to ... declare War". However, that passage provides no specific format for what form legislation must have in order to be considered a "Declaration of War" nor does the Constitution itself use this term. Many[who?] have postulated "Declaration(s) of War" must contain that phrase as or within the title. Others oppose that reasoning. In the courts, the United States First Circuit Court of Appeals in Doe vs. Bush said: "The text of the October Resolution itself spells out justifications for a war and frames itself as an 'authorization' of such a war." in effect saying a formal Congressional "Declaration of War" was not required by the Constitution.wiki
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Huntsman article in the WSJ...

Jon Huntsman: Our Current Time for Choosing - WSJ.com

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When I was the governor of Utah, we cut and flattened tax rates. We balanced budgets and grew our rainy-day fund. And when the economic crisis struck, we didn't raise taxes or rely on accounting gimmicks to hide obligations. We cut spending and made government more efficient. We increased revenues by facilitating a business environment in which innovators and job creators could expand our economic base. Utah maintained its AAA bond rating, and in 2008 it was named the best-managed state in the nation by the Pew Center on the States. We proved that government doesn't have to choose between fiscal responsibility and economic growth.
While I only included the paragraph where he talked about his time as governor the rest of the article lays out his ideas for the country & is well worth the read.
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