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Yes, you're right...the "healthcare reform" wasn't really reform of healthcare, but an insurance reform with regard to healthcare. My kids are benefiting from that because they have good healthcare under their dad's plan until they are 26. Otherwise, they wouldn't have much or any at all and their health and our funds could be at great risk. Now we rest easy knowing that if something were to happen to one of them, they are covered and all family funds won't have to go to some astronomical medical bills.
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How nice for your kids that we are forced to pay higher premiums to provide them health insurance. Never mind that it deprives my kids of help I want to give them, your children benefit by government mandate.
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The student loans also are of benefit to us and they are costing the govt less than they would before the passing of the HCR bill.
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Reduced government costs are debatable. The Federal government now has the discretion to "foregive" student loans for selected persons such as government employees.
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Taxes on cigarettes going for children's healthcare is taxing what minority? Plus, if I smoked, I would be ok with some taxes from my discretionary spending going for aid to children of this country.
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That's nice but the problem is the compulsion of others to pay taxes for a "worthy" cause.
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Research, development, and implementation of new energy ideas can help the country grow more wealth. As an example, knowledge that NASA gave us led to many new technologies that private businesses took up and those businesses have enriched our citizens with jobs and moved society forward.
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Wonderful platitudes but the reality of a green economy is quite different. Look at the destruction of the Spanish economy wrought by government mandated green energy.
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Look, I know you and I disagree on what govt's role in this country is and/or should be. It's my view that if we take care of our citizens as best we can, then it is better for our country...after all, they are our FELLOW AMERICANS. I love this country and it's citizens...all of them - not just the rich ones and not just the ones that look like me or think like me. I don't want to be stepping over poor people in the street, I don't want old people to suffer the indignity of having to live with their kids and giving up their independence. Circumstances happen all too often that take a major expenditure of life savings - I believe in giving a safety net to people so they can have the chance to chase their American Dream again - or just live in quiet retirement with independence and dignity.
These aren't acceptable to me as a loving caring citizen of this America:
MISSION STATEMENT/poorhouses
Debtors' prison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm just not a believer in "survival of the fittest" in today's society in America.
The country would be greatly diminished if we let our fellow citizens fall down and we don't give them a helping hand to get up off the ground.
Anyhoo, I admire Ms. Pelosi's guts and desires and stamina in her public service to the USA. I salute her.
You may salute her in an entirely different way. Isn't diversity wonderful?
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Conservatives also love the country and her citizens. The difference is that Dimocrat Progryssves want to "perfect" our country by imposing centralized Federal rules on every aspect of our lives. Like Pelosi said of the Obamacare bill we simply have to pass every bill Progryssves advocate so we can find out all the good things inside.
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