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no kidding, Dick Tracy.
guess who pays for one through twelve?
guess who used to pay for college ? Guess when jobs were plentiful and paid well?
I think you missed the point Salty, this isn't about free college for everyone. only black skinned people. Seems the only slaves of reparation worth were the black ones.

For the record, the 13th amendment doesn't free just the blacks, (the Negroes) but all Americans who were enslaved.
The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. In Congress, it was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, and by the House on January 31, 1865.


Historical context is a key here and our recent generations are seldom given the full and honest picture of slavery in the world, and the America's
Of course, before the Industrial Revolution made slavery less attractive economically, nearly all post-tribal cultures practiced something modern people would recognize as slavery, often with extensive sub classifications and complex ethno sectarian character. That was a major reason preindustrial societies were constantly at war, they were either slaving or being enslaved.

So who amoung the generations of today, deserve "reparations." And how shall we define and qualify them for a reward they did not themselves earn?
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I think you missed the point Salty, this isn't about free college for everyone. only black skinned people. Seems the only slaves of reparation worth were the black ones.

For the record, the 13th amendment doesn't free just the blacks, (the Negroes) but all Americans who were enslaved.
The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. In Congress, it was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, and by the House on January 31, 1865.


Historical context is a key here and our recent generations are seldom given the full and honest picture of slavery in the world, and the America's
Of course, before the Industrial Revolution made slavery less attractive economically, nearly all post-tribal cultures practiced something modern people would recognize as slavery, often with extensive sub classifications and complex ethno sectarian character. That was a major reason preindustrial societies were constantly at war, they were either slaving or being enslaved.

So who amoung the generations of today, deserve "reparations." And how shall we define and qualify them for a reward they did not themselves earn?
i guess you missed my point that this is crazy, and we should have free college for all.
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i guess you missed my point that this is crazy, and we should have free college for all.
No that one I got,,;.And dissagree vehemently. Free college for everyone isn't free.

I guess you missed mine.

And then there is this perineal observation to which I will always be faithful.

"as long as we define ourselves by race we will divide ourselves by race."

I cannot support any program that requires the description of any one's race. To do so, is an act of racism. Whether an action of well intentions or ill,,,; To do so is an application of the very definition of racism.
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No that one I got,,;.And dissagree vehemently. Free college for everyone isn't free.

I guess you missed mine.
no nor the fact you know nothing about our economy or how things work in a free society such as we are blessed with
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"as long as we define ourselves by race we will divide ourselves by race."
true as far as the sentiment goes. reality sees others defining us by race so we have to defend similarly.
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I do support affirmative action as I have seen the harm done without it

but to give a german or an indian free college because they are german or indian ys is racism sme with negro tuition because you are negro
i maintain the country will be better off AGAIN when we go back to free college tuition
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no nor the fact you know nothing about our economy or how things work in a free society such as we are blessed with

true as far as the sentiment goes. reality sees others defining us by race so we have to defend similarly.



I do support affirmative action as I have seen the harm done without it

but to give a german or an indian free college because they are german or indian ys is racism sme with negro tuition because you are negro
i maintain the country will be better off AGAIN when we go back to free college tuition
I know how our economy works. Are you suggesting that freebies for "special people" is how it works?

Affirmative action may well work for the chosen group involved. Depressed blacks needed a temporary boost is one thing. Reparations for slavery, a common worldwide economic norm for thousands of years, is entirely something else.

Slavery ended 150 years ago here in the USA, how do we repay the "debt" to the Dead? And a good many non negroes died in the struggle to free the slaves. How do we pay that debt?

One has to be pretty loose with other people's money to encompass all of that debt into an fair program of "Reparations"

How do we determine worth value and whom is entitled. By pedigree? By Family tree history? By skin color? Oh wait, isn't that racist?

And don't scold me about Affirmative action. At my companies, we practiced it for 40 years. With OUR money.
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I know how our economy works. Are you suggesting that freebies for "special people" is how it works?
All people are special people. It pays back into the system with inventions technology and employment all equaling a higher standard of living
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Affirmative action may well work for the chosen group involved. Depressed blacks needed a temporary boost is one thing.
not depressed but repressed by managers who save the good clients for their white sales reps and so on with every profession except maybe hands on manufacturing where quality control makes the judgements.
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Reparations for slavery, a common worldwide economic norm for thousands of years, is entirely something else. Slavery ended 150 years ago here in the USA, how do we repay the "debt" to the Dead? And a good many non negroes died in the struggle to free the slaves. How do we pay that debt?
stay a slave or join the army and get paid- oh there's a hard one.

I don't believe in reparations. the only reason people entertain it is cause most ancestors freed during 1860s did not get 40 acres and a mule, some actually did. but irish and natives everywhere as well as chinese and blacks would deserve the same. it just isnt feasible


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One has to be pretty loose with other people's money to encompass all of that debt into an fair program of "Reparations"
and with their own money as it would certainly take most of it
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How do we determine worth value and whom is entitled. By pedigree? By Family tree history? By skin color? Oh wait, isn't that racist?
i don't know search me
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i didnt realize affirmative action took money
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i didnt realize affirmative action took money
I can tell. But you would notice if it was YOUR money.

Query, If "all people are special," they why do we need an affirmative action for "any" of them? Aside from that, this is about "REPARATIONS" You are the one who brought up Affirmative action. again it is a totally different issue.

I cannot figure out from your postings as to whether you are running in circles or confused. What I can figure out is that you just like to argue.
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You know, I have to say that I am not really against free tuition for black kids. I think it would help a lot of black kids out of poverty and set an example for all black kids that they CAN make it. Obviously they would have to graduate high school first, which might help more graduate from high school too.
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You know, I have to say that I am not really against free tuition for black kids. I think it would help a lot of black kids out of poverty and set an example for all black kids that they CAN make it. Obviously they would have to graduate high school first, which might help more graduate from high school too.
Sounds nice but, is that really fair to all the other kids? If this was just a black white issue, it would seem fair but still, even then it would not be.

What about half breeds or Latino's and other groups that make up our diverse society?

American slavery is over. It has been so for 150 years. The black community has been held back much of that time by racism. Not just white supremacy but racism. It still holds them back because they too cannot eliminate "race' from their perspective any more than White's or Latino's. A program that gives a "freebie" based on race will not improve those relations because it still defines us as different. Separate but equal is based on a recognition of being different.

That didn't work for 100 years. Why promote anything that would continue the practice?
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no kidding, Dick Tracy.
guess who pays for one through twelve?
guess who used to pay for college ? Guess when jobs were plentiful and paid well?
Usually real estate taxes pay for schools 1-12, or some areas have a special tax allocated specifically for schools.

I would support 'free' local 2 year college as an extension of the usually 12 years one spends in school, if it included vocational training.

By then, the students would have matured a bit more, and may actually have a clue about what a 'profitable degree' actually was.

College or university after that, is up to the individual.

That being said, nothing is 'free'. If you want government sponsored college or university, may I suggest moving to the EU?
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