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Old 01-13-2017, 02:24 PM
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Thanks, this seems quite ridiculous to me as well.
I'm gonna disagree. It's not about getting a pronoun wrong. It's about being a b*tch and refusing to use the person's pronoun.

It's like if I called you Jenny. It doesn't matter that your name isn't Jenny. If you don't care and I don't care, then no-one cares. But if you're really Bob, and common sense would dictate that Bob doesn't want to be called Jenny, then you may not like me calling you Jenny.

And you'd probably tell me "hey, don't call me Jenny. I'm Bob."

And if I just shrug and continue calling you Jenny because you look like a Jenny to me, I'm disrespecting you. If I do it repetitively, that's harassment. And once it becomes harassment, we should address it legally.

You shouldn't get away with intentionally and actively trying to make someone else's life miserable after they've asked you not to. That's why we have harassment laws on the books and have for years. We're just now going to enforce them for transgender people too.
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If some transgender individual whines that one is not using the proper pronoun for it, just shake the crap off and go interact with a sane human instead.
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I'm gonna disagree. It's not about getting a pronoun wrong. It's about being a b*tch and refusing to use the person's pronoun.

It's like if I called you Jenny. It doesn't matter that your name isn't Jenny. If you don't care and I don't care, then no-one cares. But if you're really Bob, and common sense would dictate that Bob doesn't want to be called Jenny, then you may not like me calling you Jenny.

And you'd probably tell me "hey, don't call me Jenny. I'm Bob."

And if I just shrug and continue calling you Jenny because you look like a Jenny to me, I'm disrespecting you. If I do it repetitively, that's harassment. And once it becomes harassment, we should address it legally.

You shouldn't get away with intentionally and actively trying to make someone else's life miserable after they've asked you not to. That's why we have harassment laws on the books and have for years. We're just now going to enforce them for transgender people too.
Hmm well... if that's the case then we need to bring the blasphemy and profanity laws back.

Anyone using the Lords name in vain at the workplace is offensive to me and many others. And all profanity is highly offensives as well BTW. And If someone ask a person to stop and they continue weelllll OBVIOUSLY it's HARASSMENT! Therefore LEGAL ACTION MUST be taken. Because "You shouldn't get away with intentionally and actively trying to make someone else's life miserable after they've asked you not to." Right?
good for the goose?
no? why not?

And ALSO Here's the other flip side to the pronoun and Name thing.
Every person that deals with Bob/Jenny has their OWN views of reality as well. What If I think a Pine Tree is really a Rose? Can't i call it Rose if i like? Can anyone FORCE me to call it a Pine Tree? When I see a Biological Female in my belief system they are in fact a female. MY belief system says that's a Female and MY feelings are hurt if someone wants to force me to call them something I DON'T Believe they are. I have ZERO intent to hurt anyone else feelings I'm just acting on MY OWN DEEPLY FELT PSYCHOLOGICAL beliefs.
IF transgenerness isn't mental disorder than they can put up with MINE.
If it is a mental disorder then I don't have to by law or social convention pretend that what they think is true.

I sincerely mean no offense but my OWN sanity is at stake as well. And it's harassment for others to force me to ...in an Orwellian way... to say that someone that was a Female yesterday is a Man today.
Isn't that Classic Orwellian double think? And the forcing by law ...and social pressures... to conform lines up pretty well with Big Brother it seems to me.

there's a term in 1984's "Newspeak" called "BlackWhite" it means
"a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands" Sorry we all don't love big Brother yet so we will not conform.

Seems some on the left don't realize how far they've gone over the edge.
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I'm gonna disagree. It's not about getting a pronoun wrong. It's about being a b*tch and refusing to use the person's pronoun.
Actually, you make a good point. My first thought was that they were criminalizing the act of insulting someone. Which really isn't the case.

The Definition of Criminal Harassment:

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Whoever willfully and maliciously engages in a knowing pattern of conduct or series of acts over a period of time directed at a specific person, which seriously alarms that person and would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial emotional distress, shall be guilty of the crime of criminal harassment
If I were to call my neighbor an as*hole every day to his face, because I thought he was an as*hole, then I could be guilty of Harassing Bob and the police should get involved before it escalates further.

That really is no different than your example:

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It's like if I called you Jenny. It doesn't matter that your name isn't Jenny. If you don't care and I don't care, then no-one cares. But if you're really Bob, and common sense would dictate that Bob doesn't want to be called Jenny, then you may not like me calling you Jenny.

And you'd probably tell me "hey, don't call me Jenny. I'm Bob."

And if I just shrug and continue calling you Jenny because you look like a Jenny to me, I'm disrespecting you. If I do it repetitively, that's harassment. And once it becomes harassment, we should address it legally.
I may as well just be calling Bob an as*hole then.

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You shouldn't get away with intentionally and actively trying to make someone else's life miserable after they've asked you not to. That's why we have harassment laws on the books and have for years. We're just now going to enforce them for transgender people too.
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[quote=mr. wonder;864534]Hmm well... if that's the case then we need to bring the blasphemy and profanity laws back.[/QUOTE}



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Anyone using the Lords name in vain at the workplace is offensive to me and many others. And all profanity is highly offensives as well BTW. And If someone ask a person to stop and they continue weelllll OBVIOUSLY it's HARASSMENT! Therefore LEGAL ACTION MUST be taken. Because "You shouldn't get away with intentionally and actively trying to make someone else's life miserable after they've asked you not to." Right?
good for the goose?
no? why not?
Because what you're talking about isn't directed at YOU, therefore eliminating the key element of harassment. Now, if someone were coming up to you and saying stuff like "Jesus Christ mr.wonder, why in the f*ck haven't you turned in your TCP reports?" then you have legitimate traction for a harassment claim if it is a repeated behavior after you discussed with the person. The text books call it "hostile workplace."

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And ALSO Here's the other flip side to the pronoun and Name thing.
Every person that deals with Bob/Jenny has their OWN views of reality as well. What If I think a Pine Tree is really a Rose? Can't i call it Rose if i like? Can anyone FORCE me to call it a Pine Tree?
Inanimate object. Apples and oranges.

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When I see a Biological Female in my belief system they are in fact a female. MY belief system says that's a Female and MY feelings are hurt if someone wants to force me to call them something I DON'T Believe they are. I have ZERO intent to hurt anyone else feelings I'm just acting on MY OWN DEEPLY FELT PSYCHOLOGICAL beliefs.
IF transgenerness isn't mental disorder than they can put up with MINE.
If it is a mental disorder then I don't have to by law or social convention pretend that what they think is true.
How do you know "she" is a biological "female?" Were you perping on "her" in the restroom? Did you pull a President-Elect and grab "her" by the ***** to find out? This is part of the problem with the whole damned argument against transgender people. The only one's impacted are the one's who have a hard time passing. You're already calling some Mr.'s Mrs.'s under your scared of calling people by their preferred pronoun problem.

What I CAN do is force you not to use a pronoun. Use the proper noun every time if you can't use a genderless pronoun. If, of course, you are sincere about your lack of intent to hurt someone's feelings.

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I sincerely mean no offense but my OWN sanity is at stake as well. And it's harassment for others to force me to ...in an Orwellian way... to say that someone that was a Female yesterday is a Man today.
Again, use the proper name or genderless pronouns. You can do that and not be an @$$ to the person.

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Isn't that Classic Orwellian double think? And the forcing by law ...and social pressures... to conform lines up pretty well with Big Brother it seems to me.

there's a term in 1984's "Newspeak" called "BlackWhite" it means
"a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands" Sorry we all don't love big Brother yet so we will not conform.

Seems some on the left don't realize how far they've gone over the edge.
No one is forcing you to say "he" instead of "she." You could say "they." You could say "John's briefcase" instead of "her briefcase." I mean really, it's not nearly the Orwellian position you paint. Especially since our language already has built in polite conventions for any ambiguity.
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