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Old 10-23-2012, 05:33 PM
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UNC drops term ‘freshman’ in favor of ‘gender inclusive language’

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The University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill has removed the word “freshman” from official university documents, citing as their reason an attempt to adopt more “gender inclusive language.”

We are “committed to providing an inclusive and welcoming environment for all members of our community,” reads a statement administrators sent to Campus Reform on Monday.

“Consistent with that commitment, gender inclusive terms (chair; first year student; upper-level student, etc.) should be used on University Documents, websites and policies,” it continues.

A spokesperson for UNC declined to further elaborate on the university’s reasoning for implementing the language change.

Some students, however, expressed discontent over the change in policy.

Brandon Hartness, Executive Vice Chair for the school’s college Republicans chapter, told Campus Reform he feels the university is allowing political correctness to drive their decisions.

“I feel like they are making a big deal out of nothing,” said Hartness. “Girls are not going to deem the word [freshman] as sexist.”
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“I feel like they are making a big deal out of nothing,” said Hartness. “Girls are not going to deem the word [freshman] as sexist.”
Nope: they don't mind being called "men", any more than Brandon Hartness would mind being called a "fresh-woman".
Girls and women are in fact used to it; resigned to it.
That's not necessarily a good thing, and it doesn't mean it shouldn't change.
Language has already become more female-inclusive in many ways (police officer, firefighter, postal worker, chairperson, etc) and eventually it can be hoped that we will shake off the remnants of patriarchy entirely.
Getting rid of any and all language which refers to people of both sexes as "men" or which equates the word "men" with "human beings" would be a relief to many, in fact.
It only bothers women as much as it would bother men if all human beings on earth, collectively, were referred to as "womankind"; if all firefighters were referred to as "firewomen" and all police officers were called "policewomen", etc.
It's easy for men to say, "It doesn't bother women at all to be called men. They know what we mean."
But in fact, men do not know. They cannot know whether it bothers most women.
Speaking for myself, it has always bothered me, and I was taught to use gender-inclusive language at a young age, before it was entirely fashionable to do so. I was the annoying kid who was constantly correcting the other kids: "They're called letter carriers, not mailmen."
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I think "menopause" and "menstruation" should be changed to "feminstruation" and "feminopause".
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what you said was funny hee-hee

I refuse to write essays/ literature (other than online groups) or to speak---especially to speak--with all the PC gender substitutes.
One reason is that it was explained to me while still a child that "Man" in writing or speaking of a group that included women, referred to "humans" or "citizens".
That's still good enough for me.
**disclaimer** I still call it an "ice box" and a "pocket book".
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jesus christ, what a bunch of ****ing idiots
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jesus christ, what a bunch of ****ing idiots
The fact that you used "Jesus Christ", which is a decidedly male figure, shows your discrimination against men...

From here on out, you should precede your comments with a figure that is gender neutral...

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"Chastity Bono, what a bunch of ****ing idiots"

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I keep waiting for the Inclusion Collision when somebody demands that Spanish phrases be made gender-neutral. You'd have a language of sorts, I suppose, it just wouldn't be Spanish.


When are we going to make the term "femminist" gender neutral?
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Nope: they don't mind being called "men", any more than Brandon Hartness would mind being called a "fresh-woman".
Girls and women are in fact used to it; resigned to it.
That's not necessarily a good thing, and it doesn't mean it shouldn't change.
Language has already become more female-inclusive in many ways (police officer, firefighter, postal worker, chairperson, etc) and eventually it can be hoped that we will shake off the remnants of patriarchy entirely.
Getting rid of any and all language which refers to people of both sexes as "men" or which equates the word "men" with "human beings" would be a relief to many, in fact.
It only bothers women as much as it would bother men if all human beings on earth, collectively, were referred to as "womankind"; if all firefighters were referred to as "firewomen" and all police officers were called "policewomen", etc.
It's easy for men to say, "It doesn't bother women at all to be called men. They know what we mean."
But in fact, men do not know. They cannot know whether it bothers most women.
Speaking for myself, it has always bothered me, and I was taught to use gender-inclusive language at a young age, before it was entirely fashionable to do so. I was the annoying kid who was constantly correcting the other kids: "They're called letter carriers, not mailmen."
By this "reasoning," calling someone a fisherman is the same as calling him a fish.
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By this "reasoning," calling someone a fisherman is the same as calling him a fish.
No, by this reasoning, calling someone a fisherman is the same as calling him or her a man, just as calling someone a "fisherwoman" would be the same as calling him or her a woman.
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When are we going to make the term "femminist" gender neutral?
It should be changed to "chauvinist piglet".
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